Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-08-2006, 22:23

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Why would that be?

I'm spiteful

You're inbox is full btw.

**Sir Moody** · 10-08-2006, 22:27

I think we are going to have to face it this entire thing is blown way up and stright into the mafias hands

if Sasaki isnt mafia then they will be doing theyre best to frame him for the rest of the game so basically i think we are going to HAVE to execute Sas if only to stop the mafia from using him to hide

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-08-2006, 22:34

Originally Posted by Sir Moody

I think we are going to have to face it this entire thing is blown way up and stright into the mafias hands

if Sasaki isnt mafia then they will be doing theyre best to frame him for the rest of the game so basically i think we are going to HAVE to execute Sas if only to stop the mafia from using him to hide

But them using me to hide will give us clues as to who they are.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 10-08-2006, 23:10

I vote Sasaki Kojiro why?

well i see it this way, Sasaki is doing most of the talking and working here so it seems to me most important that we be sure that what he says has no bias, if he is inocent im sure that wont stop him posting if he dies and we will be sure that what he says is not a trick and therefore more reliable, so the vote would be win win almost, i dont think there is any real why Sasaki Kojiro might be any more likely to be mafia then anyone else but hes equally likely to be mafia as anyone else

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-08-2006, 23:22

Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary

I vote Sasaki Kojiro why?

well i see it this way, Sasaki is doing most of the talking and working here so it seems to me most important that we be sure that what he says has no bias, if he is inocent im sure that wont stop him posting if he dies and we will be sure that what he says is not a trick and therefore more reliable, so the vote would be win win almost, i dont think there is any real why Sasaki Kojiro might be any more likely to be mafia then anyone else but hes equally likely to be mafia as anyone else

If I'm lynched I won't be confirmed innocent.

And voting hasn't started yet.

**Csargo** · 10-08-2006, 23:53

Sasaki I saw what you wrote about me and it wasn't nice.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-09-2006, 00:04

Originally Posted by Csar

Sasaki I saw what you wrote about me and it wasn't nice.

Oh come now, it's not that insulting. Sorry if I offended though m8.

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 00:06

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Oh come now, it's not that insulting. Sorry if I offended though m8.

No problem that post was a joke. Was just thinking on the current events of the game. Interesting to say the least.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 10-09-2006, 00:34

Originally Posted by Tiberius

4) Me and EMFM probably weren't told about it. I know for sure I wasn't.

I wasn't until today.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 10-09-2006, 00:50

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

If I'm lynched I won't be confirmed innocent.

And voting hasn't started yet.

whoops i missed the lynching thought voting was still on, my bad

**Crazed Rabbit** · 10-09-2006, 01:01

To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.

Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.

Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM). If I should get such a PM I might change my mind.

Of course, when the kills are posted Sasaki might be offed...

Crazed Rabbit

**Cowhead418** · 10-09-2006, 01:13

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.

Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.

Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM). If I should get such a PM I might change my mind.

Of course, when the kills are posted Sasaki might be offed...
Crazed Rabbit

That makes zero sense, a suspected villager is the mafia's best friend. As for Sasaki's guilt, I'm not sure. In the PM, Myrd revealed his plan to claim to be the detective, which would make me think he isn't actually the detective. Also, he is right in that the mafia wouldn't want to kill someone who believed in their innocence. Sasaki has been a proven manipulative mastermind, so I don't think he'd be stupid enough to take the risk.

On the other hand, the death of Myrd does seem to be a bit too coincidental. Hmmmm...

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-09-2006, 02:55

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Leet Eriksson had been up all night, in a rage over the graphic execution of his friend discovery1. When the sun rose, Leet strode into an alley, and screamed at the top of his lungs.

"RIP Disco! You will not be forgotten!"

As soon as he finished screaming, a beat could be heard from an above window. Heavy metal music was playing. In came the angry guitar riff.

The music only served to make Leet angrier. Curse this mafia for infesting the Frontroom with its plague! He started hurling trash cans around and screaming blindly. In short, Leet was in a pure viking-style rage.

Totally unaware of what was going on around him, the rage suddenly stopped as he felt a garrote around his neck. The mafioso had snuck up behind him in broad daylight! This was unacceptable! Leet struggled to break free, but the Strength of Norge was depleted due to his earlier rage. It was no use, and soon Leet Eriksson lay dead in the alley, the heavy music still going strong.

Later that day, Csar was relaxing in his comfortable chair in his large house. Things were going well. The person he had suspected was executed, and he was celebrating by smoking a Cuban cigar and drinking a fine Cognac, sitting by the crackling fireplace. He found himself drifting off to sleep. Ah, life was good.

About an hour later, he woke up. While stretching to yawn, he realized that he couldn't stretch! Someone had bound him tightly to the chair while he was sleeping! Csar looked around wildly for any other sign of disturbance, and found that all the bottles of expensive liquor in his home bar were empty. But then, he realized that everything around him - chair, clothes, hair, floor, walls, were all saturated with something. This wasn't good.

A cloaked figure entered the room. He looked at Csar, and laughed. Csar called out angrily:

"What is the meaning of this?"

The mafioso laughed again, and took his time selecting the finest cigar from Csar's box of Cubans. "A good brand," he said as if trying to make conversation, "but have you selected a proper humidor? Without care, they do tend to become dry...

"...flammable."

The mafioso then took out a match and lit up, savoring a few puffs. He then began to walk out of the room. Csar looked on in horror as the mafioso tossed the match backwards.

Immediately the room, including Csar, went up in flames. The fire soon spread to the rest of the nice house as the mafioso walked away, puffing happily.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the ever-decreasing villagers in the Frontroom center.

"Gentlemen," he began, "the mafia are still active. It is clear to me that poisoning isn't scaring them, so we're going to try something different."

He took out a large, sharp weapon that nobody had ever seen before, and grinned evilly. "This is a weapon of my own invention. I'm about to go medieval on whosever butt is guilty. Get voting!"

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 03:21

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Sasaki why did you kill me?

Was I that big of a threat?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-09-2006, 03:26

Leet is an interesting choice because he was under enough suspicion that he could have been lynched. Perhaps a poor attempt at framing Ice.

Csar was under some suspicion as well (got votes at least). Odd choices.

**Ice** · 10-09-2006, 03:30

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Leet is an interesting choice because he was under enough suspicion that he could have been lynched. Perhaps a poor attempt at framing Ice.

I'd say rather poor.

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 03:31

Don't lie Sasaki you killed me why don't you admit it. I know it was you.

SR does this mean I get to join the MVFJA

Ice your a mafioso too don't lie.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-09-2006, 03:33

Originally Posted by Csar

Don't lie Sasaki you killed me why don't you admit it. I know it was you.

SR does this mean I get to join the

No way Csar I wouldn't have killed you. I'd keep the active posters alive so that in the endgame people weren't like "why is Sasaki the only active poster alive".

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 03:49

Oh and something else I think may be useful is that me and Leet are active chat users.

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 04:17

Well at least now you all know I was innocent.

**Kommodus** · 10-09-2006, 04:31

Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.

Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.

No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.

Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.

However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.

Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.

Vote: Masy

**discovery1** · 10-09-2006, 04:49

Originally Posted by Kommodus

Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.

Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.

No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.

Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.

However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.

Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.

Vote: Masy

Way to be totally sketch. YOu make me wish I set you as my target rather then Ice. You both side with him AND put forward the weakest of arguements.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 10-09-2006, 04:54

Vote: Sasaki
Same reasons as;

To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.

Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.

Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM).

CR

**discovery1** · 10-09-2006, 05:32

And might I add that you sided with Ice for no real reason, since I vote for him because he goes to U of M at Ann Arbor.

**Csargo** · 10-09-2006, 05:58

Originally Posted by Kommodus

Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.

Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.

No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.

Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.

However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.

Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.

Vote: Masy

I don't see how you could get anything out of two rounds of voting. Like Disco said you voted for him for no reason. But so did I so I'll forgive you for that one. But still how do the villagers know you can trust them?

**Drisos** · 10-09-2006, 06:18

Vote: Masy

Due to the 'wrong' posting times at the first round, and suspicious posting.

However I'm still highly suspicious of Sasaki. And now Kommodus as well.

Long post - but not that much said//

**doc_bean** · 10-09-2006, 08:27

Vote: Kommodus

Certainty after two rounds of voting ? Highly unlikely.
Participating in the Ice/Disco feud ? Highly Suspicious.
Pretending to be the helpful villager ? Errr...dangerous, but if it works it really pays off.

As for Sasaki, I'm still suspicious, but I'm with BKS and Sasaki thinking it just wouldn't make sense. Besides, Sasaki likes playing with people, he would have went along a bit longer I suspect.

**Sir Moody** · 10-09-2006, 09:40

frankly Komms post seems to be 1 of 3 possible things as he says a lot without actually saying anything (

)

Firstly hes a mafia member trying to start a bandwagon - possible but i doubt he would be since he was a mafia member in the last mafia and would need the luck of the Irish to be selected again

Secondly he could be the Detective trying to hide his findings in a lot of babble and hoping we all follow his lead

and lastly he could really have a new method and doesnt want to give us ANY evidence - dodgy if he expects us to trust him

as for sas i think ill give him a stay of execution (this time) as csars death is just too much of a frame job - i still suspect lynching him will be Necessary eventually

this leads me to Byzantine Mercenary - not only did he jump the gun he did so jumping onto a (possibly) certain bandwagon - highly Suspicious

Vote Byzantine Mercenary

**Kommodus** · 10-09-2006, 13:21

Originally Posted by discovery1

Way to be totally sketch. YOu make me wish I set you as my target rather then Ice. You both side with him AND put forward the weakest of arguements.

Come now, discovery1, I had no intention of participating in this "feud" you and Ice seem to have. I voted for you based on a shred of evidence which seemed to be the only thing I had at the time. I do apologize for this, since I now know you were innocent.

As for the rest of you, you can trust me, or not. I participate in these games partly out of intellectual curiosity: can I solve the puzzle before it's too late? In this case I'm already satisfied; my method doesn't require me to be alive in order to work.

I'm still not going to tell you how I did it. Does this disappoint you or make you suspicious? Very well then; so be it. Do what you will; the truth will be out soon enough.

**Dutch_guy** · 10-09-2006, 13:27

So, Masy is a mafioso according to your mysterious evidence, and who else ?

As you said, you can continue your work in death - so why not just save us villagers while you still can ?

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