Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Northnovas]

Tally, people!

I, for one, want to hear more about the evidence against Sigurd. All we see is hearsay. I can see a conspiracy scenario in which Sigurd is actually just a lucky guess.


Lynch:
15 - Dutch_guy (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo, )
3 - Sigurd


Select:
12 - Shlin28 ( Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo)
6 - JimBob (JimBob, Elvis, Dork_Guy, Andres VI the Ugly, Womanes, Tran C. Dental)

You need you tallies edited. Unless that was an example to tally.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Sigurd

Select: Jimbob

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:7 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM)
Sigurd: 5 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran,CR)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Directors:
Jimbob: 3 (Sasaki, Scott, CR)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

Why are you messing up the tally Louis?

CR

EDIT: Woo! Post # 2222 !

[Twilightblade]

vote: Dutch Guy

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:8 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade)
Sigurd: 5 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran,CR)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Directors:
Jimbob: 3 (Sasaki, Scott, CR)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

[Sarathos]

Vote: Sigurd
Yet another Don

[Northnovas]

I will have to go with the latest reveal by JimBob. We have identified a couple Dons and has mentioned we should go with a double lynch if that is possible. Again mentioned in a recent post Dutch Guy a Don but in a depleted family and who would work with now?
However, Sig identified and it is unknown his power and how many are working for him at this stage. If we can't get both who is the greater threat?

Vote: Sigurd


As of #2225

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:8 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade)
Sigurd: 7 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas)
CR: 1 (shlin)


Select: JimBob

Directors:
Jimbob: 4 (Sasaki, Scott, CR, Northnovas)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

[LittleGrizzly]

Vote DutchGuy
Select LittleGrizzly

Going to make sure DutchGuy dies!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why is DG so much more important to you than killing a Don?


Explain yourself.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think Sigurd should be the priority. He should be out ahead a couple votes. We can vig dutch, can't vig a don.

[TinCow]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 8 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 4 (Sasaki, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[John86]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 9 (Kag,Sasaki, Hiji, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 5 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[Joe Monks]

Select:Jimbob

Its gotten much more complicated.

Sigurd Fafnesbane - Don Corleone - Investigated twice by an FBI detective
Makayane - Tatagalia, Rank Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 3
Dutch_guy - Stracchi Luca
Tran - Wiseguy or Made, Stracchi

Who the hell to vote for? really.

Since Jimbob is director I am going to follow him.

Vote:Dutch Guy

Joe

[Sigurd]

I think Sigurd should be the priority. He should be out ahead a couple votes. We can vig dutch, can't vig a don.

I have been reading this nonsence a few times now...
And I must say. Clever ... mafa ... clever.

Go ahead and lynch me over Dutch. But I can't be a Don. you see.. I will come up as innocent, not guilty when investigated.

I have been scorned trough this game and no one will work with me.
I have tried to get into vig groups in both Sasaki's gang and CR's but they always come up with some excuse ... no it is better to vote the mafia dead.
Yet, I keep reminding them that we are getting slaughtered 5/1 nearly every round and more will come. says the killings will go down, but the Mafia wet-boys will all turn made and then there will be more kills.

This is just the perfect timing for a mass reveal of investigations. According to Jimbob, you have lynch candidates for the remainder of the game. If the mafia has been working together and their numbers are substantial.. something all the kills suggests, then they could just push for a mafia win right now. There is just no way we could out-vote them with all the lurkers we have.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Did you just edit your post Hiji? I could've sworn your post read like this:

Lets kill Dutch guy already!

Vote: Dutch_Guy
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 8 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 5 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Is it against the rules to post a screenshot of the actual thread?

CR

[Xehh II]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Sasaki, Hiji, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, XehhII)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 7 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, XehhII)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Edit: bad counting

[John86]

Did you just edit your post Hiji? I could've sworn your post read like this:



Is it against the rules to post a screenshot of the actual thread?

CR

Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post. Now that I've read Sig's post and realized he cannot be a don I'm going back to Dutch_Guy:

Unvote:Sigurd
Vote: Dutch_Guy


Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 9 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 7 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Excuse me, but what of Sigurd's post makes you 'realize he can not be a don'?!

I guess we know which family you are - Corleone. Indeed, if you really thought he wasn't a don, you'd vote for him.

Sigurd -
You told me last night that you had a 'role blocker' friend who put a stop on Dutch guy. As is clear from the write up, and the two killers who helped off Louis then put ballerina shoes on him, no block was put on DG.

Why did you lie?

CR

[woad&fangs]

Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post. Now that I've read Sig's post and realized he cannot be a don I'm going back to Dutch_Guy:

How has it been proved that he is not a Don?

[LittleGrizzly]

Why is DG so much more important to you than killing a Don?


Explain yourself.

CR

I just can't be sure of his guilt.. can you ??

[Sigurd]

Oh... here is a little gem from the role descriptions in Seamus' other thread:

A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase.

Whoever gave this FBI investigation on me must have it wrong, or might be a made giving false information.
There are grounds to question every one of those investigations.

[John86]

How has it been proved that he is not a Don?

You cannot find a Don from an investigation, they show up as innocent. They cannot kill if there is active family alive, if Sigurd is a don and has no remaining family members left, and he did indeed kill someone, he would come up as guilty. So my question is, how did you come to the conclusion he was a Don from an investigation? JimBob?

[Sigurd]

Excuse me, but what of Sigurd's post makes you 'realize he can not be a don'?!

I guess we know which family you are - Corleone. Indeed, if you really thought he wasn't a don, you'd vote for him.

Sigurd -
You told me last night that you had a 'role blocker' friend who put a stop on Dutch guy. As is clear from the write up, and the two killers who helped off Louis then put ballerina shoes on him, no block was put on DG.

Why did you lie?

CR

I didn't lie...
The one I mentioned works with the real detective. I shall not reveal the name here amongst mafiosi.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You cannot find a Don from an investigation, they show up as innocent.

WRONG. The FBI detective can find them. They may be, as Sigurd said, unlikely to find them, but that does not mean impossible. Therefore, Sigurd's statement

Whoever gave this FBI investigation on me must have it wrong,

is also wrong.

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.

So I can be sure, yes.

Why do you go for DG over Sigurd, not even trying for a double lynch. And why do you bring out absurdities about being sure in a Capo mafia game, especially when it has been said the FBI detective investigated him?

Sigurd - if you were not lying then why was DG not blocked?

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?

Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post.

Crazed Rabbit

[John86]

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?
Crazed Rabbit

Do tell, how is editing a post before there was a reply, several seconds after the original post, "vote editing"?

[Crazed Rabbit]

2 minutes, actually. But hey, I'm just asking Seamus.

CR

[Husar]

CR, you told me something as well about dutch_guy and it didn't happen either, so why is he still alive and why did Sigurd tell me before your PM that he applied to you kill dutch as he says here in the thread, but also says you refused him?
Why oh why did you also tell me certain other things which did not happen and why oh why does this all seem to add up to you being a manipulative Don?
You blaim Sigurd for giving you wrong info, yet you gave certaine people a lot more wrong info and may have simply lied.
I also lied to you about my protection business but that was because "we" already suspected you to be a don at that point and do not trust you. The fact that I work with Louis should be known by now as certain other townies couldn't keep their mouth shut but I still believe that Louis was working in the town's interest and that's also why he had to die.

I may come up with more in case any of you ********* townies actually read my posts or decide to listen to me for once.

[Sigurd]

WRONG. The FBI detective can find them. They may be, as Sigurd said, unlikely to find them, but that does not mean impossible. Therefore, Sigurd's statement

is also wrong.

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.

So I can be sure, yes.

Why do you go for DG over Sigurd, not even trying for a double lynch. And why do you bring out absurdities about being sure in a Capo mafia game, especially when it has been said the FBI detective investigated him?

Sigurd - if you were not lying then why was DG not blocked?

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?



Crazed Rabbit

Well I guess you are all set in your minds that I am a greater threat than Dutch.
Don Corleone is obviously not alone.. I think someone established this (ajax?) hence he is not allowed to kill.
All though ... I have to admit there were a few lone killers lately so we can't completely rule it out.

You came to me last night CR and asked if I wanted to join a vigilante group, and when I said yes, you just shut that door in my face with: sorry, I can't help because I have other business.

Sasaki wanted me to join one of his protection groups and gave me names. I tried to contact them all but not all answered. I then asked about vig groups and Sasaki claimed they were not necessary.

I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.

Now I have to go.. the battery on my lap is dying and I have to get some sleep. More on this tomorrow.

Sigurd

[LittleGrizzly]

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
I agree

2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
As far as he nows...

3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.
Is a good point but there is a chance they might not...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sigurd is lying (unsurprisingly).

I asked him and some others if he could help. But everyone besides Sigurd couldn't help.

So I told him there wasn't enough people.

I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.

Huh, convenient. Why don't you send the name of the blocker to Jimbob?

CR

[Husar]

Are you one of those who ignore my posts or are my questions just too inconvenient, CR?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'll admit I don't know everything. Just a fraction of all the knowledge to be had in the world or even in this game.

So I could indeed have been wrong, but it was not through malice but human error.

CR