Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Is there any way we could get an extension on today's vote deadline? There's a lot more ground to cover on this and I think we can clear it up today if we have a bit more time to work on it.

[KukriKhan]

Ok, this is to all of you. Does anyone remember the text of the hit on andres from night three? It said "prego, don barzini", but I can't find it to see if the killers left a rose. If they did then makanye can't be in the tataglia family and CR must be a don.

Earlier than n3, I think, because I remember commenting on the "Prego" bit on Feb 10th. scottishranger refers to it here, but I also can't find the original source. Very odd, it missing now. (Unless we're both blind). :)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Let's not lynch Craterus (yet), nor CR. There have been too many 'let's lynch first, ask questions later' already. We can't random lynch yet again when there are confirmed mafia on the loose: Ichigo.

And most probably one of the three of Haudegen, CA and TC.

To: Haudegen ; CountArach ;
CC: Seamus Fermanagh ;

Yet another night for our merry band of wiseguy vigilantes. Since Hiji is now dead, we will keep working down the list of early game guilty/criminal results. Tonight it will be Ichigo, who was found unclear on Night 2 and guilty on Night 5. The deaths on Night 5 were Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, Motep, Rythmic, and woad&fangs. As we all know, Motep was killed by the Stracchi and woad&fangs was killed by Sigurd. That leaves Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, and Rythmic. Chimpyang and Kamikhaan were killed by mafia, as shown by the calling cards left on the bodies. Rythmic was killed by two people, so they must have been Made/Lucas. Therefore, Ichigo must be mafia.

Please submit the following orders:


Quote:
TinCow, Haudegen, and CountArach will kill Ichigo.

Have the three of you been killing before? Together?

In particular, what was each one of you three doing yesterday night? (I mean n8, not the present n9)


In conjuction with this, the news that Ichigo was mafia was revealed 6000 posts ago and should also answer SK's question below:

Louis, where did you get this? If it is true then it's proof that CR is lying about mak being the tataglia luca.

A few posts under that one, I somewhat named my source: Ichigo. Of course, as mafia, he has an incentive to lie about his family.

here


Edit: if I remember correctly, the 'Prego, Don Barzini' bit was removed by Seamus. Seamus had forgotten that Andres as director couldn't be night killed. So the write-up was changed.

[Leet Eriksson]

Vote Crazed Rabbit

Recently revealed evidence points at CR either being don or FBI, but i can't believe the latter because there is no reason for him at all for him to reveal himself like that.

[Charge]

Earlier than n3, I think, because I remember commenting on the "Prego" bit on Feb 10th. scottishranger refers to it here, but I also can't find the original source. Very odd, it missing now. (Unless we're both blind). :)

I saw it meant "You're welcome Don Barzini" somewhere....
will search if it is important..

ah, here
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1726
part 3

so it was 'favour' kill for Barzinis, hence they couldnt left 'rose'....

[KukriKhan]

Louis makes sense.

unvote: Craterus
vote: Ichigo

He also explains the missing "prego" remark. Not crucial, I think.

[TinCow]

Sasaki is right that there is something to be looked at in this rose/Barzini detail.

ajaxfetish has done a great job keeping the information organized. His most recent and up to date post is here.

What we know from last night: A hit was launched on Ichigo. Either TinCow, CA, or Haudegen failed to show up for the hit and it failed. The same night, Haudegen was killed by the rose mafia.

Louis claims that Ichigo is from the rose mafia. The rose mafia also attempted a hit on CR on N6, but failed since only one person showedup. I also note for a fact that CR was the person who brough CA into the townie group and vouched for him. I can back this up with PMs to prove it.

Theory:
CR is the rose mafia Don. He infiltrates the townie group, posing as a detective. He then uses his credibility to infiltrate CA into the group. They both gain credibility by helping the townies kill off other mafia families. This credibility is boosted by having one of their own family members launch a hit on Don CR, but it is designed to fail by having only one person in on the hit. However, on N9, the townie target one of the roses, Ichigo. So, the roses sabotage the hit by having CA pretend to submit orders. They then turn and kill Haudegen at the same time. The keep me alive because I trust CR and CA and will vouch for them.

1) Can we trust Louis' info on Ichigo and the roses?
2) Is this plausible?

[TinCow]

Unvote: Craterus
Vote: Ichigo

The more I think about it, the more the above theory makes sense. If CR is a Don, lynching him will have no impact on tonights kills. We have to lynch a Made/wiseguy to do that. So, I'll go with Ichigo. That will also give enough time for the results on Mak to come out.

[Ferret]

unvote:craterus vote:Ichigo

[Pannonian]

Earlier than n3, I think, because I remember commenting on the "Prego" bit on Feb 10th. scottishranger refers to it here, but I also can't find the original source. Very odd, it missing now. (Unless we're both blind). :)

Andres was killed that night by the Barzinis, which was odd, since he was heavily protected by his director's bodyguard at the time. From post 1004:

Fermanagh was visibly confused and shame-faced at his report that morning. He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.

[Charge]

Andres was killed that night by the Barzinis, which was odd, since he was heavily protected by his director's bodyguard at the time.

hmm so what is the right translate dammit?

[Andres]

Ichigo has quit this game. He also quit other games at the same time as he posted in this thread that he was quitting.

Ichigio is not the type to post "I quit" and to come back after a few rounds saying that he'll continue play.

But I'm a scumbag off course

Go ahead, lynch somebody who's going to get WoG'ed sooner or later in the game. As a pro mafia player, this is exactly what I want you guys to do: waste a lynch

[Drisos]

Go forth als lynch people like Ichigo!, for now at least.

Ichigo has quit this game.

Post number? I don't believe you.

I haven't been paying close attention... but others have. If this would've been true they would've picked up..

[Craterus]

Is it possible that Ichigo was one of the Stracchi recruits? He posted 'I quit.' soon after DG got lynched IIRC. This would explain Andres' interest in his survival.

[KukriKhan]

With 20 minutes to go 'til deadline, the CR votes are made by Sasaki (who said he'd let him live one more day, but hasn't changed his vote yet) and people accused of being "guilty" or "criminal".

This alone is beginning to lend some credibility to CR's denial of don-dom/assertion of FBI-ness.

Uncommitted voters should decide and cast their ballots quickly.

[Andres]

Post number? I don't believe you.

Post 2332.

[TinCow]

If Ichigo is so unimportant, why did one of last night's vig group betray the others? If he was unimportant, they would have just killed him.

[Ferret]

Post 2332.

lol the buildup to that was great

[Craterus]

What's the current tally?

I'm leaving room for the possibility of a Don CR having organised some last minute vote changes so my vote is sticking for now.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You've got 4 votes on you, I've got 8, and Ichigo has 3.

So you're in no danger. Why not just vote Ichigo?

Like this:
unvote: Craterus
vote: Ichigo

CR

[Craterus]

Ok ok. Not to worry. Just wanted to check.

unvote: CR
vote: Ichigo

[Crazed Rabbit]

Gah I'm going to die.

7 for me, 5 for Ichigo.

CR

[Csargo]

Vote:CR

Now will people plz stop PMing me. Thanks

[Craterus]

SF said up to 5 mins after the deadline, you might be ok if people change their votes quick.
EDIT: Ok, so he didn't quit.

[TinCow]

Just getting this stuff out there for consideration. It is in txt download format because my inbox has required emptying twice.

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From : Crazed Rabbit
To :
Date : 2008-02-19 15:50
Title : Capo I Important
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Is CountArach part of our group?

I don't have time to type up why, but any info you have on him is important.

Thanks,
CR

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From : Crazed Rabbit
To :
Date : 2008-02-19 16:22
Title : Re: Capo I Important
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On CA-
Apparently the mafia wants him dead. He appears to be a pro-town role and maybe a doctor.

He should be one of our highest priorities to protect tonight.

CR

Note: CA is a wiseguy. This is confirmed.

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From : Crazed Rabbit
To :
Date : 2008-02-20 02:13
Title : Capo II Regarding Don Corleone
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[...]

PS - I confirmed CA as a pro-town role and got Husar to put a protection group on him.

Ultimate irony... I actually accused CR of being Don Barzini because he didn't suspect Prole. My opinion of Prole changed when it was shown that she was protected by a surgeon. This game makes my head spin sometimes:

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From : Crazed Rabbit
To :
Date : 2008-02-20 14:58
Title : Re: Day 6 Plan
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Wow. I can't believe you doubt me.

I am admit I have nostalgic feelings of Capo I, when Prole was my Don and the white glove mafia came so close to winning.

She was attacked by the yellow rose mafia once, the Stacci remants once, and twice by the lone killer - the one who killed Glenn. The last two nights she hasn't been attacked by mafia, but by the lone killer.

But I see your point. List here with the others as a Don.

CR

If Prole was town, that would mean that she somehow found a Doctor/Surgeon who dedicated himself to protecting her three nights in a row. That's a pretty major level of protection. The doctor would have to be convinced she was absolutely essential to the town to give that kind of help. At the same time, what are the odds that someone with that important a pro-town role is able to spread the news well enough to recruit said dedicated Doctor, but yet stay completely off of the radar of well known townies like JimBob and myself? Why wouldn't she at least contact JimBob and offer to help now that she knows for sure that he is pro-town?

Sorry, Prole is definitely mafia, and given her innocent result and consistent failure to die due to 1 protector, she is obviously a Don. Clearly the other mob families also believe she is a Don, since they keep attacking her.

Your failure to see how blatantly obvious this is worries me greatly. Perhaps there is something to Louis statements about you being Barzini.

I have to disagree with Prole being a don.

Being attacked is not a crime. Based on earlier communication with her I have reason to believe she's a pro-town role. But I could be wrong. *sighs*

Why do we think Craterus is a don? Because he was protected? Reasonable, I guess.

Also, Mak is the Tataglia Luca.

CR

To: JimBob ; Crazed Rabbit ;

Contrary to my expectations, last night's results were superb. The vig hit on Factionheir was a success, our protection target was not attacked, and my plan to test TruePraetorian worked. I now consider him confirmed mafia.

I think it's time to ramp up the pressure on the mafia. The best way to do that is by exposing them so that the families keep killing each other, along with a concerted effort at lynching high ranking members every day and vigilante kills of lower ranking members at night.

I have written up the following summary of information, based on a compilation of information we have been provided with and some basic common sense. The highly incriminating evidence on Sigurd is omitted as requested by CR. I think JimBob should post this publicly, along with a request to be re-elected as Director, so that he can continue coordinating the town's efforts. He should follow the list up with a plan for today's lynching. I recommend picking ONE person and putting all the votes on them.

Mafia Members:

Sigurd Fafnesbane - Don Corleone - Investigated twice by an FBI detective
Makayane - Tatagalia, Rank Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 3
Hiji - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 4
Dutch_guy - Stracchi Luca
Craterus - Probable Don, Family Unknown
TruePraetorian - Rank and Family unknown - Sabotaged vigilante hit on Tran on Night 5, attempted sabotage of vigilante hit on Tran on Night 6.
Charge - Mafia Affiliation Unknown - Investigated and found criminal on Night 3
Proletariat - Don, Family Unknown - Investigated and found innocent on Night 4. Survived 4 hit attempts, all with a single protector saving her. Has never aided the town in any way.
Twilightblade - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found criminal on Night 4
Ichigo - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found unclear on Night 2. Investigated and found guilty on Night 5.
Tran - Wiseguy or Made, Stracchi

[Crazed Rabbit]

We should have a vote extension.

CR

[TinCow]

I very much agree.

[Craterus]

Based on earlier tallies, this is what I've got:

Craterus - 3 (Cowhead, Myrddraal, LittleGrizzly)
Crazed Rabbit 8 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Kage, TP, shlin28, Leet, Ichigo)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Ichigo - 5 (Kukri, TinCow, Elite Ferret, CR, Craterus)
Abstain - 1 (Prole)

[Csargo]

SF said up to 5 mins after the deadline, you might be ok if people change their votes quick.
EDIT: Ok, so he didn't quit.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG.

Hi,

Please make a contribution to Crazed Rabbit's demise by voting him...
Don Cunnio is going down

That's just one of the PMs I have been sent. It's very annoying. I wanted it to stop, so I voted.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting is concluded, writeup will follow shortly.