Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Voting Sasaki is a bad idea, IMO. The ninjas last night went for high-profile targets, with Little Grizzly and Reenk for sure. While both Louis and Sasaki have been involved in regular discussions, Sasaki has been higher profile and Louis' death looks a lot more like the killer everyone is calling the serial killer. If we notch up the hit on Sasaki as the third ninja attack, we have LG, Reenk, and Sasaki as last night's ninja targets (which would also make Sasaki not a ninja, and thus a bad lynch choice). That group is not a coincidence; the ninjas are now playing with us with their kill choices. On N3 the pever triumvirate, on N4 an entire group of high-profile players. This indicates a well-coordinated group who are paying a lot of attention to the forums.

On re-reading my own post re: Sasaki, I have realized there is a problem with it. I stated the above on the basis that Sasaki was attacked by a ninja, which would make the kills a coordinated trio of hits like in the previous pever massacre. However, as I stated later, the pever massacre included the 'messy' killer whose affiliation is unknown at best. As a result of this, I'm not quite as sure anymore that Sasaki's protection is quite so innocent as it initially seemed.

I recommend that whoever protected Sasaki contact CountArach and inform him of that fact. Under the circumstances, there aren't many good reasons for a pro-town doctor to withhold this information from a player who is stated as a pro-town player in the very rules themselves. If CountArach gets this information, he can simply inform the rest of us that Sasaki's protection was innocent and not the result of a mafioso power.

I still think it's a bad idea to vote for Sasaki at the moment, but his protection needs to be explored and we eventually need to get some kind of verification on this one way or another. The town needs to make sure this incident is not forgotten and if we do not see any info on it within the next day or so, pressure should be applied via votes.

[Yoyoma1910]

Everyone's a critic.

[Andres]

Incidentally, if we manage to lynch a ninja or traitor, will we be informed of our success?

No.

There may be a small hint or hidden clue, though.

[Haudegen]

Ok, let me try to translate this:

When gazing at the stream,
One may see themselves.
But do not be fooled!
The water is not flesh:
It is but water.

Confucius say: Haudegen´s Haiku Theories are crap.

Ok, point taken.

In some regions,
Each wall is made of many stones
Set upon each other, interlocking,
To be strong and complete.
If a stone is removed from the wall,
Is it not then a different wall?
Does it stand as it did before?

Confucius say: I don´t want to alter my writing style.

Hey, we all want to be unique. But IMHO this doesn´t make you free from the burden of trying to support the town.

[FactionHeir]

No.

There may be a small hint or hidden clue, though.

How about if they get night killed or die in a duel? Or if they are WoGed?

And as per my suggestion, could the town's detective (if any) PM CA saying XYZ is innocent/guilty without saying "I'm the detective and found that..."?

[Banquo's Ghost]

OOC: I'll respond in more depth to Kukri's note later, but I am rather tied up tonight, so all I can contribute is an abstention. I'm also trying to get the hang of this game by reading the more experienced, so forgive my silence.

Vote: Abstain

[Prince Cobra]

Nominated: Voters
Alphabetically:


Rhyfelwyr: Tincow, Yoyoma, Wishazu, Phil 4v.
TosaInu: Sasaki, FactionHeir, White eyes, Beskar Total:4 v.
Beskar: Husar, Stephen Asen (SA) 2v.
Tincow: YLC, Rhyfelwyr Total:2 votes
Yoyoma: Chympyang, Duckie 2v.
Banquo's Ghost (BG) : Kukri 1v.
GH: Glenn 1v.
Sasaki:GH 1v.
Seamus: Kage 1v.




Challenges:

GH vs. TosaInu
Stephen Asen vs Beskar
White eyes vs. TosaInu
Beefy vs. GH
------------------
Glenn vs Rhyfelwyr
YLC vs Tincow

Abstain: Death is yonder, A Very Super Market (aka AVSM); taka; BG

[Yoyoma1910]

Ok, let me try to translate this:



Confucius say: Haudegen´s Haiku Theories are crap.

Ok, point taken.

Actually I was saying that my poetry (which lately hasn't been haiku) has not been focused at you, as you seem to imagine.

Confucius say: I don´t want to alter my writing style.

Hey, we all want to be unique. But IMHO this doesn´t make you free from the burden of trying to support the town.

And here I'm stating that you removed the vote section of one of my posts, which caused it to loose it's meaning.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Fools!

[TinCow]

Fools!

If you're just an innocent townie, there's no harm in revealing. The only thing of any significance in a townie role PM is the battle rating, which you could edit out, as long as CountArach has a copy. So, go ahead post your role PM if you'd like to prove your innocence,

[GeneralHankerchief]

Posting a role PM proves nothing unless you have a special role. It's likely that the mafiosi already have cover roles.

[FactionHeir]

Fools as in "We who follow the great Takeda Shingen"? Is that an admission of guilt?

[Prince Cobra]

OOC: As far as I can remember we are forbidden under WoG to post role Pms.

[Beskar]

We are not allowed to private our names or our roles. But I think we can private anything else, even love letters.

[Prince Cobra]

Fools as in "We who follow the great Takeda Shingen"? Is that an admission of guilt?

As far as I can remember, the aim is to kill anti town, not to kill a player. It's indeed infuriating to be annoyed in such a way. He can be guilty, or not.

[Haudegen]

Actually I was saying that my poetry (which lately hasn't been haiku) has not been focused at you, as you seem to imagine.



And here I'm stating that you removed the vote section of one of my posts, which caused it to loose it's meaning.

Well, ok.

It´s been a pleasure doing conversation with you, sir!

unvote: Yoyoma1910

[Prince Cobra]

We are not allowed to private our names or our roles. But I think we can private anything else, even love letters.

Could you reply to my question, Bes?

Elucidation: it is in the previous page.

[TinCow]

Posting a role PM proves nothing unless you have a special role. It's likely that the mafiosi already have cover roles.

Forged role PMs can often be spotted, it's worth fishing for them. AFAIK, Andres has never supplied mafioso with cover role PMs in his games, and I see nothing to indicate they would have them in this one. Therefore any fake covers would have to be forged. And despite all of the above, it's still of no harm for a potential lynchee to post a role PM if he's just a townie.

OOC: As far as I can remember we are forbidden under WoG to post role Pms.

They cannot be posted privately. Publicly is perfectly fine.

Rules:

* It's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private. Feel free to quote all other pm traffic (and chatlogs/e-mails), including mine (unless I explicity state in a particular pm that you are not allowed to quote it) in the thread. You can quote/fabricate/forge anything you want both in public and in private.

[Andres]

How about if they get night killed or die in a duel? Or if they are WoGed?

No reveal, maybe a small hint or a hidden clue, but nothing obvious.

And as per my suggestion, could the town's detective (if any) PM CA saying XYZ is innocent/guilty without saying "I'm the detective and found that..."?

* Revealing your role or character name "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
* It's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private.

Anyone who isn't sure that his PM is in accordance with the rules, should ask the opinion of the host before sending it.

[Andres]

OOC: As far as I can remember we are forbidden under WoG to post role Pms.

You are allowed to quote your role pm in public (= in this thread), it's forbidden to do so in private (unless I explicitly said otherwise to a player through pm).

[Prince Cobra]

OK, anyway, you are the top of my list. It's time to make you popular. Until I do not receive a good answer you can rely on my vote

Unvote: Beefy
Vote: Beskar

Reason: His omnipresence in each bandwagon since the beginning of the game, his attempt to twist my words when I was on the verge of destruction and of course, to reduce the risk in a duel + to make clear that my challenge is anything but not a random one.

Vote: TosaInu



You need a doctor and a nearby toilet for that, not be voting for me.

Could you explain the grounds for your decision?

[Prince Cobra]

10 minutes before the dead-line

Nominated: Voters
Alphabetically:


Rhyfelwyr: Tincow, Yoyoma, Wishazu, Phil 4v.
TosaInu: Sasaki, FactionHeir, White eyes, Beskar. athetos Total:5 v.
Beskar: Husar, Stephen Asen (SA) 2v.
Tincow: YLC, Rhyfelwyr Total:2 votes
Yoyoma: Chympyang, Duckie 2v.
Banquo's Ghost (BG) : Kukri 1v.
GH: Glenn 1v.
Sasaki:GH 1v.
Seamus: Kage 1v.




Challenges:

GH vs. TosaInu
Stephen Asen vs Beskar
White eyes vs. TosaInu
Beefy vs. GH
------------------
Glenn vs Rhyfelwyr
YLC vs Tincow

Abstain: Death is yonder, A Very Super Market (aka AVSM); taka; BG

[Beskar]

Could you explain the grounds for your decision?

He lurks like hell. Plus his post.

Anyway, it is a known fact I am an innocent townie. Trying to pin things on me either means you are rather silly or a mafia-role.

[atheotes]

hmm... no strong cases have been built for anyone... but Tosa's post arouses suspicion...
Vote: TosaInu

think i made it just in time....

[FactionHeir]

Andres you didn't answer my Q

[Prince Cobra]

hmm... no strong cases have been built for anyone... but Tosa's post arouses suspicion...
Vote: TosaInu

think i made it just in time....

Sasaki-san, do you really believe that words "hmmm" can be enough evidence? Or you have more than one hint?

I wouldn't say that I had more than a hint.

*****

My read of his post was that he was surprised about his kill not going through and tried to correct for it when I voted for him. He's been lurking anyway...

Sasaki

It' still hard to understand your vote. Repeating old mistakes (Sigurd), I think. Although there is never 100% guarantee I think we have killed the wrong person.

[Andres]

Andres you didn't answer my Q

My answer is there

EDIT : voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If you're just an innocent townie, there's no harm in revealing. The only thing of any significance in a townie role PM is the battle rating, which you could edit out, as long as CountArach has a copy. So, go ahead post your role PM if you'd like to prove your innocence,

Tell me I'm not the only one who sees the suspicion thing about this post...

[Prince Cobra]

What I see is that Beskar killed another person. What is this voting without any explanation!

[Beskar]

TinCow is a fake copy of the Golden Calf from Moses. he can't be trusted.

As I said earlier, if you think it's me, you are either silly or a mafia-role trying to remove blame from himself.