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    Oh *sigh* Lucius Julius, not here as well.

    He wants to know what you think about his brand of christianity.
    No he doesn't.
    He is trying to convert people.
    He is kinda of a laughing stock over at TWC for it and not very popular since he pretty much do hit and runs.
    Posts a thread filled with misinformation copy-pasted from some christian/creationist website trying to convert people and then is never seen again until a few days later when another thread pops up with the same type of message and leaves again.
    Once we did get him to reply to a discussion he created and his response was pretty much "you are all blind therefore no point in discussing with you".

    Anyway, LJ, what's the website where you copied this from ??
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    Original post doesn't have any misinformation in it.

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    Jesus Christ, is the Son of God
    He is God!
    Misinformation right there.
    Atleast keep the stories straight.
    Being the son of god while being the god himself is just well sick.
    Like something out of "Deliverance".
    Unless Jesus is one god and "god" is another which makes christianity a polytheism. Of course with the trinity factor christianity is already one so I guess that just another deity to the tree.
    He will forgive you and give you eternal life
    Until you die of disease, old age or shot by some random drug addict etc
    Reminds me of South Park.
    "having sex with children had made him immortal so he lived for an eternity until he got hit by a train"
    Then as a child of God
    So that's why you don't get eternal life. Jesus gets jealous.
    Common problem among first born
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son
    Is the one and only son us or Jesus ??
    Make up your mind.
    Because He offers us the gift of eternal life freely
    Now that is just plain wrong.
    If he offered it freely you wouldn't have to worship him or submit yourself to him or even depend on him.
    That's like giving away free samples of food as long as you pay for it.
    the wonderful gift of eternal life
    Sorry but there is nothing wonderful about an eternal life.
    It's a curse, not a gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    Original post doesn't have any misinformation in it.

    you are a lot of fun too Navaros....don´t worry the new guy won´t make us forget about you

    Navaros might be feeling a bit threatened in his position here guys....let´s make sure we make him feel he is still important...

    I´ll still laugh at your posts first Navaros...this new guy won´t take your place don´t worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    Original post doesn't have any misinformation in it.
    I thought you thought that Jesus was a bleeding heart good for nothing liberal? What's happened to your religious rigour man? I used to admire the way you stood up against these newfangled wishy washy cults, and how you preached hell and brimstone old testament. What's happened to the old Navaros? Has he mellowed?

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    Ah, Evangelical Christianity, potentially so small and self centred.

    A relationship with Jesus Christ? How about a relationship with GOD?

    Ooooh, I don't know which to choose.

    I'm sorry but if you are going to try and convert people at least come with your own ideas, not what your "Preacher" has told you. Go away, read the Bible and then come back and try and convert other people. If your faith can withstand the glaring condradictions in the Holy Press Pack I'll take you seriously.

    Personnally, I'm of the opinion that seeking Eternal life is a garrenteed way not to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    Oh *sigh* Lucius Julius, not here as well.

    No he doesn't.
    He is trying to convert people.
    He is kinda of a laughing stock over at TWC for it and not very popular since he pretty much do hit and runs.
    Posts a thread filled with misinformation copy-pasted from some christian/creationist website trying to convert people and then is never seen again until a few days later when another thread pops up with the same type of message and leaves again.
    Once we did get him to reply to a discussion he created and his response was pretty much "you are all blind therefore no point in discussing with you".

    Anyway, LJ, what's the website where you copied this from ??
    We don't 'do' laughingstocks' here. Everyone gets to have his/her say, with respectful consideration shown.

    On the other hand, we also don't 'do' unattributed, un-linked copy/pastes either. We see that as cheating, a padding of one's own views by employing an unidentified 'ringer'; that ringer's words masquerading as one's own.

    Thread is temporarily closed, pending staff inquiry.

    Thanks for all contributions thus far.
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    -Update-

    Thread is re-opened. New Member Lucius Julius did not have access to the backroom previously, and thus could not respond. He will be granted access soon, and has been advised of the rules we operate under here.

    For clarity: the opening post contains material originally written by Roy B. Zuch, and is viewable on the web HERE.
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    This is the only right version of christianity for the record!

    Seriously, it's pretty much what I have been raised with, not so sure about it anymore as some may know, but it sounds very known to me, which in turn is kinda scary because it always sounds the same.

    I do however think that some of you could be a bit nicer anyway, believe it or not but there's no reason to ridicule him, I don't think he had any evil intentions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    We don't 'do' laughingstocks' here. Everyone gets to have his/her say, with respectful consideration shown.
    Well we don't do that at TWC either.
    Just certain members who do the same thing over and over again over time become one.

    For clarity: the opening post contains material originally written by Roy B. Zuch, and is viewable on the web HERE.
    Still hasn't learned.

    Do note that I'm not bashing LJ or his beliefs.
    I respect him and his beliefs as I suggests others to do as well.
    He is overall a friendly poster that unlike other's like him doesn't flame other people.
    However I do ask that he respects others people's religion(and athiests) and in some cases their sexual preference(I'm pretty sure there is some homosexuals on this forum) which I know he doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    If he offered eternal life freely you wouldn't have to worship him or submit yourself to him or even depend on him. That's like giving away free samples of food as long as you pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    (I'm pretty sure there is some homosexuals on this forum) which I know he doesn't.
    I think that there is 1 in the backroom.
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    Anyway, LJ, what's the website where you copied this from ??
    I didn't copy this from a website, I had "What is Christianity" in real life, while typing it here. But the website is this: http://www.atstracts.org/readarticle.php?id=46

    A Moderator just told me about that website.

    A relationship with Jesus Christ? How about a relationship with GOD?
    God and Jesus are one and the same under the Trinity.
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    The Holy Spirit never gets any love. The red-headed stepchild of the Trinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucius Julius
    I didn't copy this from a website, I had "What is Christianity" in real life, while typing it here. But the website is this: http://www.atstracts.org/readarticle.php?id=46

    A Moderator just told me about that website.
    Which is exactly like what you typed hence copied and if you copy then you must provide a source. It's the common form. If it's a book then name the author and book. If it's a movie then state the movie etc.
    Trying to pass off things as your own is dishonest and I'm pretty sure the bible goes against that.
    God and Jesus are one and the same under the Trinity.
    Is that a banjo I hear playing in the background ??
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    Is that a banjo I hear playing in the background ??
    Says the Viking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    Is that a banjo I hear playing in the background ??
    Man, TB666, you are lethal!
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    Being raised Catholic... well... I'm pretty much with the rest of the atheists... I just don't care anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir
    911 AD, never forget!
    What exactly am I looking for here ??

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    Honestly, I can't respect any religion that allows one to murder, rape, steal, and be a Republican all their lives and still be forgiven with two minutes of confession and still go to Heaven (Catholic), nor can I respect a religion that completely ignores a person's good deeds in favor of a five second proclamation of accepting Jesus Christ as their savior (Protestant).

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    So, death to the infidel it is? If you like Democrats you should love Catholics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucius Julius
    God and Jesus are one and the same under the Trinity.
    Yes, they are, but you run the risk of seperating them by focusing on the Jesus of the Gospels far too much. Those biographies were written about the man he may have been the God Incarnate but that was not how he manifested.

    Although, the Holy Trinity isn't actually in the Bible at all, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
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    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
    Honestly, I can't respect any religion that allows one to murder, rape, steal, and be a Republican all their lives and still be forgiven with two minutes of confession and still go to Heaven (Catholic)
    You have to regret it, you have to actually feel sorrow and proportionate regret for what you did for it to really count with God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
    You have to regret it, you have to actually feel sorrow and proportionate regret for what you did for it to really count with God.
    Even so, there are some acts of violence that should never be forgiven, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
    Even so, there are some acts of violence that should never be forgiven, in my opinion.
    i'd be more troubled by the people that could live completely good lives but still end up in eternal torture because they believed in the wrong gods.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
    Honestly, I can't respect any religion that allows one to murder, rape, steal, and be a Republican all their lives and still be forgiven with two minutes of confession and still go to Heaven (Catholic), nor can I respect a religion that completely ignores a person's good deeds in favor of a five second proclamation of accepting Jesus Christ as their savior (Protestant).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    Is that a banjo I hear playing in the background ??
    Nah, I prefer mandolins.

    This is what they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandolin

    Sorry to go off topic, but wanted to clear that with you.


    This is the only right version of christianity for the record!

    Seriously, it's pretty much what I have been raised with, not so sure about it anymore as some may know, but it sounds very known to me, which in turn is kinda scary because it always sounds the same.

    I do however think that some of you could be a bit nicer anyway, believe it or not but there's no reason to ridicule him, I don't think he had any evil intentions.
    I have a question, Husar, do you truly believe? Your post suggests that you are Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
    Honestly, I can't respect any religion that allows one to murder, rape, steal, and be a Republican all their lives and still be forgiven with two minutes of confession and still go to Heaven (Catholic), nor can I respect a religion that completely ignores a person's good deeds in favor of a five second proclamation of accepting Jesus Christ as their savior (Protestant).

    All hail Lord Xenu!

    Just to set the record straight... Confession isn't a "Get out of jail free" card. If anything, it was psychotherapy for the masses, centuries before it ever beame vogue in the secular world.

    When you go to confession, strictly speaking, the priest isn't actually 'doing' anything. He doesn't forgive you. He acts as a witness, to acknowledge that God has forgiven you. People frequently say "Well, I don't need a middle man, I can just confess to God". There's a psychological barrier to confessing your sins to another human being. Laying in bed one night, looking at the ceiling, and saying "Geez God, I'm kinda sorry" is a world away from sitting down and telling somebody exactly what a wretch you can be sometimes.

    But it's very cathartic. Because it's so hard, you get a lot more out of it. Thinking of God as an actual person you have to have a personal discussion with about your sins is incredibly difficult, but it also helps get some perspective.

    And before you start thinking "Well, I just show up and say what I've done and I'm home free", I have some bad news. It doesn't work that way. Priests don't grant absolution in an absolute sense. The forgiveness is predicated on your sincere remorse. Only you and God know for certain whether you truly repent for your sins and therefore only the two of you will ever know for certain that you were truly absolved. The priest usually says something to the affect of "In so much as you are truley remorseful, the Lord in His infinite mercy and kindess forgives you".

    In other words, if you're not sorry, don't waste your time or God's saying you are.
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    Isn't Catholic Confession a sacrament though, which it isn't in Anglicanism?

    (Anglicans still have Cofession though.)
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