Decided to make a new thread on this to keep things neat...my other thread doesn't need another bump yet anyway...
Question:
Quick and to the point: I was already excomm'd and on this next turn I took NO further hostile action of any kind (there was no hostile action involving me at all..no battles at land or at sea, no invasions...nothing, simply recruitment). Not to avoid anything, as said in my thread- The excomm really didn't hamper me. Anyway, I'm recruiting, defending and organzing a massive attack...I receive the warning that my Faction Leader has died (this was expected..he was turning 69) and that the Heir has taken over. As said, this is expected. However, I also got a message informing me that the Pope has requested all Catholic factions to Crusade against my lands. This was a surprise because a) I didn't recall any message being issued about this...I thought this was automatically implied when I got excomm'd. I didn't realize an excomm and a call for crusades against your lands were two seperate acts b) My excommunication was still lifted due to the death of my Doge and arrival of my new Heir to the throne.
Why would the Pope call for Crusades against my land, if the excommunication was lifted that same turn?
Perhaps he decided to issue the call the turn prior, and my King dying occurred after the point that the message was going to be delivered regardless? I can't recall exactly which message occurred first in sequence, but they did occur on the same turn.
So...if the excomm is lifted and I have a new Heir should I simply disregard this message? Is it just basically an expired, outdated message? No Crusades against me? heh...
Other quick questions:
1) The obvious- Why did he escalate his sanctions against me? I'm getting very powerful, not going to do a writeup now. 11 provinces, around 10k give or take in profit a turn, the largest navy, virtually unable to be invaded, stable, and we already have a huge land army but are building an even larger one. It's huge. In my campaign questions thread we still hadn't even ascertained for certain why he excomm'd me in the first place (although we're almost sure a bribing of a castle garrison was regarded as a "hostile act" and this was the cause) still- Did he call for the Crusades, an escalation in sanctions, due to the fact that his excomm had no slowing effect on my power and I have only build larger armies on my borders?
2) In the usual case- Does a new Heir and lifting of excomm also lift all prior warnings as well? In other words- Is not only your excomm, but also any warnings given to you to not attack other factions for 10 years "sanctions" lifted as well?
Let me also add to this that although France was also excomm'd along with me the year prior (we're not at war yet) I did not get any message stating anything about the Pope calling for Crusades against French lands. Interesting huh?
It may help to refer to my campaign questions thread (1133 AD) for reference but this is definitely getting interesting...
It's currently, 1143 AD...and I'm almost ready to flip another turn but I want to just get some consultation on this first since I had a minute to write a thread here...
My campaign thread is not 100% up to date, it's a few years behind...but other things have happened. I'm only more powerful and more secure though, building and teching up like crazy as I build several huge armies for defense, and for expansion. Let me add- My campaign thread states I have 12 provinces, I only had 11, it's a mis count. This thread is accurate, and therefore no...there's been no loss of province by me.
Thanks for the help, as always guys...This is an interesting course of events and I don't remember being in any situation where we basically had a Pope that I wasn't concerned about by 1140, was this powerful as a nation, and had the Pope just keep increasingly stepping up pressure against me even when I do not commit the actions that would traditionally justify this via the "laws of the Church" so to speak.
I mean it's basically: Proxy war by the Pope against me spearheaded by a Sicilian/Hungarian attack. We just cripple the coalition offensive and expand due to it but do not break the rules of our warnings. We're excomm'd. We have a non hostile turn (no military action of any kind involving our faction) but continue to dig in and build up for one turn, all as part of a plan to launch our first major attack on 2 fronts (this first "round of war" was a counter attack for us...not a true offensive) in rapid fashion, with nothing to slow us down. Boom- Call for Crusades against us as our King dies and as our excommunication is lifted.
Again, details in my thread and of course this is massively oversimplifying it but that's the basic chronological order of events in summary here pertaining to this.
It's quite interesting and thought provoking ...
I'll save my details of my campaign and plans for another thread but just FYI- I'm almost definitely launching my attack regardless of any of this...For many reasons. I'm ready for it and my enemies are not and I could become a superpower asap due to it, and it's only the early 1140's currently. (We're already possibly bordering "superpower" status between our navy and land holdings as well as economy, infrastructure, military tech). Still, I'd like to just gather as much info about this as I can right now because a) it's the only thing I have any questions about right now...for the first time in several years things are relatively straightforward in my planning and I've organized my plans well in the past few days b) I also thought that the sharing of this might be found interesting by some others. I don't recall either experiencing, or reading/hearing of this scenario or one similar to it.
added w/ edit: Is it possible I misinterpreted the warning I got and it was telling me that the Pope had called for all Catholic factions to ATTACK me? Or is the only possible call that he issues along those lines for a Crusade? - That would answer my question about the excomm and call for Crusades being two separate acts...
Thought of one more thing ....then I'm off (sorry)- IIRC you cannot change your Heir correct? He is set? Of course I know you can kill him or throw him to the wolves in battle (always a laugh) but you cannot physically reassign the title of "Heir" from him to one of his brothers can you?
Thank you- 'Night
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