Client rulers

**duncan.gill** · 03-20-2008, 00:39

I am playing KH - with some of my cities I have instigated Level 4 governments but have not been granted a client ruler. Is there anything that I am doing wrong (i.e. should I move a FM there and then he becomes a client ruler or do I need to ensure that the city isn't fully garrisoned)?

**Seleukus** · 03-20-2008, 00:43

Originally Posted by duncan.gill

I am playing KH - with some of my cities I have instigated Level 4 governments but have not been granted a client ruler. Is there anything that I am doing wrong (i.e. should I move a FM there and then he becomes a client ruler or do I need to ensure that the city isn't fully garrisoned)?

Have you activated the script?

**duncan.gill** · 03-20-2008, 04:21

Yes, the script is always activated

**LordCurlyton** · 03-20-2008, 04:52

Heh sometimes the script doesn't work right, especially if you're fully garrisoned. I once forgot to leave a space and the character got spawned but did not go into the city and displace a unit, as it has done before. And since it never enteredthe city, for whatever reason it never got the client ruler trait. So I got a free general to do with as I pleased (I sent him on a suicide mission and rebuilt the Type IV since I wanted a client ruler).
Another time I got the client ruler, but he was outside of the city. Apparently he got into the city, got the trait, and kicked himself out...

**brymht** · 03-20-2008, 04:53

which cities? I noticed a few which were absent I had to add in the buildings file.

**mini** · 03-20-2008, 14:04

i've never used a type IV before, how does it work?

I gather it spawns a FM for you, and from there on?

Can you use it to fight off rebels, or does the AI do that for you?

**Korlon** · 03-20-2008, 15:31

It spawns a basically immobile family member. It gets 100% movement penalty so he cannot move unless he has some traits that increase that such as energetic. There's a fix that makes it so that the penalty drops down as there's a problem with sallying when there's a client ruler in the city. Don't bother trying to fight off rebels with him, he can't move much.

Generally, a client ruler, I would say, isn't worth it. Their upkeep (around 700) is usually higher than what they contribute to the income of the city. They only get past that once they grow a lot older, but by that time you've have lost a lot of potential money already. But this is a permanent feature.

**Vortexmind** · 03-21-2008, 15:38

What does it happen when the client ruler dies? Does it get replaced by another client ruler?

I ask because only client ruler I saw dying in my game had been slaughtered by the enemy who then took over the city

**d'Arthez** · 03-21-2008, 16:28

Once a client ruler dies, you don't get a replacement. Best thing is to tear the government building down. You can get a new CR by building a new lvl 4 govt, or you can create a more advanced government, with better bonuses.

**Vortexmind** · 03-21-2008, 19:41

Originally Posted by d'Arthez

Once a client ruler dies, you don't get a replacement. Best thing is to tear the government building down. You can get a new CR by building a new lvl 4 govt, or you can create a more advanced government, with better bonuses.

Oh that should be fine but I wanted to not "cheat" by using a type 2 gov and still retain local barracks to level 5. I use this as an house rule, so I will recreate the client state to mantain level 5 auxilia