Saudi Arabia Counters Muslim Extremism

[Paradox]

A lot of people say that they're taking it out of context, the whole execution to those that change their religion. I agree, the Quran refers to those that turn their back on the belief in god, not Islam.

[FactionHeir]

A lot of people say that they're taking it out of context, the whole execution to those that change their religion. I agree, the Quran refers to those that turn their back on the belief in god, not Islam.

Considering that its likely that the belief held back when that book was written was that there was only one true god, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

[Paradox]

Considering that its likely that the belief held back when that book was written was that there was only one true god, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

Not really, that's one of the common misconceptions people tend to think about Islam. The fact is that Allah is god, and the two other religions (Christianity and Judaism) are considered to be the origins of the Quran. It's just that Muslims believe that Jesus was a messenger/prophet, we don't call Jews or Christians non-believers.

[Geoffrey S]

Not really, that's one of the common misconceptions people tend to think about Islam. The fact is that Allah is god, and the two other religions (Christianity and Judaism) are considered to be the origins of the Quran. It's just that Muslims believe that Jesus was a messenger/prophet, we don't call Jews or Christians non-believers.

Perhaps I'm just confirming my common misconception here, but I thought Muslims distinguished themselves from others by accepting Allah as the only God, and also accepting that Mohammed is his Prophet, thus excluding other faiths of the book.

[Paradox]

Perhaps I'm just confirming my common misconception here, but I thought Muslims distinguished themselves from others by accepting Allah as the only God, and also accepting that Mohammed is his Prophet, thus excluding other faiths of the book.

I don't think I've made it clear enough. Allah is the same god that Jews worship, I can't say it's the same god that Christians worship because I don't know whether Christians consider Jesus is god himself or the son of god. The Quran still holds Moses, Jesus, Abraham, etc. in high regard, we consider them the ones who paved the way, which basically means that the Bible and Torah are the origins of the Quran.

Anyway, on topic, crazy extremists take it out of context and decide to go back to the middle ages and perform Jihad, on an unnecessary cause.

[Fragony]

Well these same extremists are treated with the utmost respect don't count on us here we are in a permanent state of stockholm syndrome

[Paradox]

Well these same extremists are treated with the utmost respect don't count on us here we are in a permanent state of stockholm syndrome

That's a little hard to understand, are you saying that we respect these maniacs?

1. There is no God but God.

And Allah is god, I'm not seeing where this is going.... It's all the same one god really, this is just a different name.

2.Mohammed is the (or a?) Prophet of God.

A prophet of god.

The second point, however, is something no Christian or Jew can do, and defines Islam as something separate.

Sorry, I find this a little hard to understand, something separate from what?

If that is the case, slightly - it opens the door for conversion to Christianity and the Judaism.

How is that? I'm curious.

[Geoffrey S]

I don't think I've made it clear enough. Allah is the same god that Jews worship, I can't say it's the same god that Christians worship because I don't know whether Christians consider Jesus is god himself or the son of god. The Quran still holds Moses, Jesus, Abraham, etc. in high regard, we consider them the ones who paved the way, which basically means that the Bible and Torah are the origins of the Quran.

I don't think I made myself clear enough. I thought that there were two foundations defining Muslims:
1. There is no God but God.
2. Mohammed is the (or a?) Prophet of God.
The point first non-Muslims can adhere to, though indeed there has been the matter of the perceived idolatry of Christ. But certainly earlier prophets are held in high esteem. The second point, however, is something no Christian or Jew can do, and defines Islam as something separate.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I don't know whether Christians consider Jesus is god himself or the son of god.

Kind of both. Jesus is God's son, but Jesus is also part of the Holy Trinity, making Jesus both the Son of God and God the Son.

[Viking]

A lot of people say that they're taking it out of context, the whole execution to those that change their religion. I agree, the Quran refers to those that turn their back on the belief in god, not Islam.

Like that is any better.

[Geoffrey S]

Like that is any better.

If that is the case, slightly - it opens the door for conversion to Christianity and the Judaism.

[Viking]

If that is the case, slightly - it opens the door for conversion to Christianity and the Judaism.

The extreme and anti-human ideology remains, regardless.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The extreme and anti-human ideology remains, regardless.

Why are you posting in this thread, just to insult people's beliefs?

Aristotle had something to say about Atheists. They're boring.

[Tristuskhan]

Why are you posting in this thread, just to insult people's beliefs?

Aristotle had something to say about Atheists. They're boring.

Aristotle was himself (and still remains, just read it) something of a bore...

Anyway do you mean that since some Corrupt Mollah stated that conversion to Christianity or Judaïsm was MAYBE possible, we should not keep on opening our eyes on what the same wise men support, that is: you can become Christian, even Jew? Very nice. Just try to call yourself Atheist. Killing you would still not be a crime to their eyes.

Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla, do you think keeping the door open for the legal murder of Atheists is not "extreme and anti-human ideology"? Until they change their minds on THAT issue, I won't believe Saudis "counter muslim extremism".

And mind you, Saudi SUPPORTS Muslim extremisms. Any sign of the contrary is likely to be a lie in order to please their allies.

[Geoffrey S]

The extreme and anti-human ideology remains, regardless.

I'll bite. You mean the Saudis, extremist Muslims, or Muslims in general? Because as it stands, your comment isn't very helpful.

[Tristuskhan]

I suppose Viking was talking about the official Saudi position. Obviously.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not obvious, he could even be talking about Christians, Muslims and Jews. "Anti-human" idiology is something regularly leveled at Protestant Christians especially.

He's trolling, if he wanted to add to the arguement he's post more than a half sentence.