Not Getting The Vanilla Marian Reforms!

[goosejn]

I am playing as makedonia, it is 262BC and i have a couple of huge cities in Italy, not including Rome. Shouldn't I have triggered them by having the palaces?

[Xurr]

Check the FAQ. Marian reforms aren't triggered by city size in EB.

[Maximus Aurelius]

Check the FAQ. Marian reforms aren't triggered by city size in EB.

I'm pretty sure that he isn't talking about the Roman Marian reforms, but the Change of time (or whatever it is called). I'm not sure but I think that you have to get past a certain year to allow the Vanilla reforms to happen.

[goosejn]

Yes, I am Definitely not talking about the EB marian reforms, but the Vanilla Ones that allow for all of the new Units. Does anyone know what that year is?

[Korlon]

Vanilla Marian Reforms are triggered by having a huge city in Italy. They took out the time requirement in patch 1.5.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

The Vanilla Marian Reform will hit when one of these cities becomes huge: Arpi, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum. There may not be a message and it may be delayed a few turns but that is the only requirement.

[Torvus]

The Vanilla Marian Reform will hit when one of these cities becomes huge: Arpi, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum. There may not be a message and it may be delayed a few turns but that is the only requirement.

any idea of a timeframe when the AI normally does this? cuz in my current Mak campaign, Arretium has enough people to upgrade to a huge city, but the Romani haven't done it yet.

[SaberHRE]

probably lack the money to upgrade. But be patient, more "civilized" nations tend to expand really quickly in terms of infrastructure. It took the Carthaginians 50 years to build everything in Kart-Hadast in my recent game.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

They usually get it between 250 and 220...

[Ibrahim]

or 100BC after what I did to them...

[goosejn]

I have huge cities in Italy already from Taras to as far north as Arretium. It is 258 bc. I have had huge cities for a couple of years now? Remember, i am playing as Makedonia and i am referring to the Vanilla Reforms for new units. I thought with patch 1.5, the vanilla reforms set off as soon as a huge city besides Rome was in place in Italy.

[Lusted]

The vanilla reforms will not trigger for any faction apart from the Romans in vanilla 1.5, it must be a Roman city in Italy apart from Rome that becomes a huge city.

[goosejn]

but i have other cities that are huge besides rome

[Lusted]

But are you playing as the Romans?

[goosejn]

I'm playing as Makedonia. So is it safe to assume i will not get the reforms until 240bc and then i can recruit hysteroi pezhetairoi

[goosejn]

If anyone can answer this question: When should i experience the vanilla marian reforms and get the new units?

It is 238 BC, i am playing as Makedonia, and there are a number of huge cities in Italy besides Rome. is it something that randomly occurs after a certain year, or will it happen in a certain year that i have not gotten to yet?

[blacksnail]

The Vanilla Marian reforms happen when they happen. We can't really control when but you can expect them to happen between 240 and 220 BC. This is a hardcoded aspect of the game, so it will happen at some point.

[Aromir]

The vanilla reforms will not trigger for any faction apart from the Romans in vanilla 1.5, it must be a Roman city in Italy apart from Rome that becomes a huge city.

Quick question, just to be clear, this means that the huge city in italy has to owned by the roman faction right? So if the Roman faction is destroyed or looses all its cities in italy you wont get the reforms at all?

[Jurdagat]

Quick question, just to be clear, this means that the huge city in italy has to owned by the roman faction right? So if the Roman faction is destroyed or looses all its cities in italy you wont get the reforms at all?

Not really. Remember that the EB Roman faction is not using any of the vanilla Roman faction slots (Brutii, Julii, etc..).

I'm not 100% certain, but I think most factions can trigger the vanilla reform.

[Lusted]

Quick question, just to be clear, this means that the huge city in italy has to owned by the roman faction right? So if the Roman faction is destroyed or looses all its cities in italy you wont get the reforms at all?

Correct. In the vanilla game, it must be a Roman faction in Italy(but not Rome) that builds an Imperial Palace in order to trigger the reform.

[blacksnail]

I believe the Marian reform will trigger for whatever region has the "italy" hidden resource. I don't remember if we moved this resource into regions beyond the Italian peninsula, but you can check by doing a search for (I believe) descr_regions.txt in your EB sub-directory. First, select that file and hit CTRL-C (to copy the file) and CTRL-V (to paste the copy into your directory). Next, open the copy and search for italy. The regions where it is present are the regions that need the 5th level governor's building, aka Huge city size. Finally, close the file and delete your "copy of descr_regions.txt" file.

[Horst Nordfink]

I am using MAAs city mod, meaning that only Rome can become a Huge city in Italia. Does that mean that the Vanilla Marian Reforms will never happen? Or does it happen once you reach a certain date regardless of the city size?

[blacksnail]

In that instance, if the "italy" tag is only in the non-Rome Italian cities, then yes, you will never get the Vanilla Marian reforms.

[Horst Nordfink]

I thought so. I have just changed Capua to "huge" in the descr_regions wotsit, so no problem.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I am using MAAs city mod, meaning that only Rome can become a Huge city in Italia. Does that mean that the Vanilla Marian Reforms will never happen? Or does it happen once you reach a certain date regardless of the city size?

I took the reforms into account in my minimod and added the "italy" hidden resourse to the towns that can get huge so that they will trigger it. I didn't take the fact that only Rome can trigger it into account, though...

[goosejn]

so if i am playing as Makedonia and i am playing a non-modded version of EB 1.0, i should check the files to make sure if italian regions have the "italy" hidden resource for non-roman factions. if they do, then i should experience the reform sometime between 250-220bc. It is now 238bc. I remeber getting them as Makedonia once before, but that was not on version 1.0. has anything changed in this version regarding this file?

[goosejn]

i checked the resource_txt folder and a number of cities in Italy had the "Italy" resource. Is there something else i should look for because some of the replies talk about the difference if you are playing as the romans and get a huge city vs other factions. Or, am i all set, and reforms will happen randomly because the resource is there and it is after 250BC??

[blacksnail]

Faction shouldn't matter - just the city with the "italy" tag becoming huge. The city may have the population for it but maybe they haven't yet built the Vanilla "imperal palace" building which is what actually triggers it. Sit tight, if nothing happens by 230 BC then you should start to worry.

[goosejn]

I definitely have the imperial palace in multiple cities, not including Rome

[Dhampir]

Theoretically, if I capture Capua and get it up to huge and then give it to the Romans, will that then trigger the reforms?