Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
2 lost wars - Iraq and Afghanistan, they won't be won by the end of his term, and therefore they count as lost, especially since the timeframe outlined pre-war was like 2-3 months TOPS.
You realize that by your criteria, we also lost World War II? No, HoreTore, I fear you're indulging in hyperbole. A quagmire does not equal defeat. And failing to distinguish between the justified and necessary war in Afghanistan and the absolute waste of time and blood in Iraq weakens your argument.

I'm inclined to agree with those who say it's too early to judge the second Bush Presidency. But the mere fact that historians are already trying to rank it is interesting.