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    Chretien Saisset Senior Member OverKnight's Avatar
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    Default Re: KOTR Postmortem and Next-Gen Rules Discussion

    After shaking off a bit of the post KotR blues, I've reviewed the rules for the second time.

    Considering Rank Stability, I have to second the idea that rank requirements only be calculated once a Term, either before or after the Legislative Session. I'd say before, so Lieges are a bit more responsive to constituents. I'd also suggest that inactivity be taken into account at that time. Once every two terms seems a bit unresponsive.

    I'm against Renting land, my thoughts on this are posted in the relevant poll.

    Of course, I won't have a true feel for the rules until we begin playing.
    If KotR is any indication, this new Charter will be a living document.
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    I'm still not over the post KotR blues yet, but I'm around...

    If we are going to yoyo ranks, then just before election time is the best point. No more and no less. At least that creates some stability for a period of time and allows for the rest of the game mechanics to work.

    I don't think we should include land as part of the process. If we do, then just one province as part of gaining the first rank (nice historical touch) and that's it, and there is certainly no "renting" concept to confuse things further.

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    My idea on oath swearing is this:

    If both parties agree, then there is no limit to oath breaking/taking except when a "governing body" is in session.

    You can always break an oath.

    But if you break one without the permission of your lord, you can only re-make an oath once per session.

    That way, the Houses can re-arrange at will. The vassals have a small measure of power but not too much. If you wish to be in no House, that should be your right. It's up to you if you don't want the protection/security of being part of an oath lineage. But if you don't like a House, and leave without the lord's permission, then if you swear to another lord, you can still leave, but you can't swear again until the next session.


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    I don't like the idea of institutionalised oath breaking being a part of the actual rules.

    An oath should be given and then handled on a case by case basis using sometype of IC court system. The idea that a noble can just "up and leave" (which I agree should be allowed in the game) is anthema to me and something that just feel's wrong in a game based around Medieval times.

    PK, do you think there another option for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieGiant
    I don't like the idea of institutionalised oath breaking being a part of the actual rules.

    An oath should be given and then handled on a case by case basis using sometype of IC court system. The idea that a noble can just "up and leave" (which I agree should be allowed in the game) is anthema to me and something that just feel's wrong in a game based around Medieval times.

    PK, do you think there another option for this?
    Keep in mind that there is still the rule that says a noble can declare war on his vassal for breaking the oath. And for the purpose of the rules, the noble would be the defender since he is the offended party. I think this will limit the amount of oath-breaking that happen without the lord's permission. I think the option should be there for the vassal to leave if he wants but there can be severe consequences. Such as the fact that the noble can declare civil war, hunt the former vassal down, and kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Privateerkev
    Keep in mind that there is still the rule that says a noble can declare war on his vassal for breaking the oath. And for the purpose of the rules, the noble would be the defender since he is the offended party. I think this will limit the amount of oath-breaking that happen without the lord's permission. I think the option should be there for the vassal to leave if he wants but there can be severe consequences. Such as the fact that the noble can declare civil war, hunt the former vassal down, and kill him.

    Good points...

    I just don't like it...it seems a little irrational I guess that's my inbuilt ethical side coming out.

    If you break and oath with me...

    I'll come after you with a blunt spoon...

    ...because it takes a lot longer to bludgeon someone to death with a blunt spoon.

    Everyone might want to take note of that statement for future reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieGiant
    Good points...

    I just don't like it...it seems a little irrational I guess that's my inbuilt ethical side coming out.

    If you break and oath with me...

    I'll come after you with a blunt spoon...

    ...because it takes a lot longer to bludgeon someone to death with a blunt spoon.

    Everyone might want to take note of that statement for future reference.
    "a spoon brother? why not an axe?"

    "because it's blunt you twit! It will urrt more!"


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