KotR - Unanswered Questions

**gibsonsg91921** · 04-13-2008, 14:59

Yo Illuminatoes:

Did the Illuminati like or respect Peter at all other than his hellbent drive to snuff them out, bearing in mind that Peter was within his power until he had an invisible demonic society that ate babies against him?

**AussieGiant** · 04-13-2008, 18:24

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Yo Illuminatoes:

Did the Illuminati like or respect Peter at all other than his hellbent drive to snuff them out, bearing in mind that Peter was within his power until he had an invisible demonic society that ate babies against him?

God I really should have gone the whole hog with Arnold...channeling, scrying, sacrifices to the pagan gods for his invincibility in battle etc etc.

And unfortunately Gibbo, GH is correct. We could not have asked for a better Kaiser at the time...of course that was to further our own ends not anyone else's.

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Did anyone think Arnold wasn't evil? That goes for all the guys inside the Order too. Was he regarded as the arch typical "bad guy" or something a little more than that?

And just to make me feel a bit better, I assume that wasn't 'bad' from a role play perspective. Did anyone enjoy him?

**Privateerkev** · 04-13-2008, 19:21

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Did anyone think Arnold wasn't evil? That goes for all the guys inside the Order too. Was he regarded as the arch typical "bad guy" or something a little more than that?

And just to make me feel a bit better, I assume that wasn't 'bad' from a role play perspective. Did anyone enjoy him?

Jan was convinced that Arnold was "evil" but not in any supernatural sense of the word. Since Jan had stabbed Arnold a few times, Jan knew that Arnold was very much human.

As for how he was played, he was quite enjoyable to interact with. Once we figured out how to keep contact with each other OOC, interacting IC was a real treat.

**gibsonsg91921** · 04-13-2008, 20:05

I get the sense that Peter was really kind of a Biff Loman character. Anyone else?

**AussieGiant** · 04-13-2008, 20:57

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

I get the sense that Peter was really kind of a Biff Loman character. Anyone else?

Biff Loman? Is that a film character. He sounds familiar...is that an 80's film?

Thanks for the comments PK...I certainly knew you wouldn't think he was anything more than human given the co-op stories.

**gibsonsg91921** · 04-13-2008, 21:22

He's the pathetic guy from Death of a Salesman who has no clue. In the end he realizes he's a loser.

**Cecil XIX** · 04-13-2008, 21:32

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Did anyone think Arnold wasn't evil? That goes for all the guys inside the Order too. Was he regarded as the arch typical "bad guy" or something a little more than that?

After the Hummel incident, Sigismund definitely didn't think Arnold was evil. Edmund always respected him as one of the Reich's most reasonable and wise rulers, and was very dissapointed to learn he was the Grand Master of the Illuminati.

Incidentally, did Sigismund really come off as groveling when he apologized to Arnold? He was actually pretty happy when he wrote that.

**AussieGiant** · 04-13-2008, 22:36

Originally Posted by Cecil XIX

After the Hummel incident, Sigismund definitely didn't think Arnold was evil. Edmund always respected him as one of the Reich's most reasonable and wise rulers, and was very dissapointed to learn he was the Grand Master of the Illuminati.

Incidentally, did Sigismund really come off as groveling when he apologized to Arnold? He was actually pretty happy when he wrote that.

That's good to hear Cecil...both from Sigismund and Edmund's point of view.

I can't remember what that apology was exactly about? Can you provide more details?

**GeneralHankerchief** · 04-13-2008, 23:48

I remember there was a Swabian secret forum in the start of the game... anyone still have the link?

**Warluster** · 04-14-2008, 00:21

I still do: Swabian House Forum

You need a password to get into the main forum though. :P

I can't believe I missed out at the end of KOTR... Never changed House once since the start of the game.

**Ignoramus** · 04-14-2008, 03:33

I'm the Admin so I'll remove the password.

Password removed. Wow! 6 members online over there.

**Northnovas** · 04-24-2008, 12:29

Yes the mercy rule. I think I was one of the first characters releasing prisoners and for the early game it kept AI armies around. I was trying to purposely build a character with chivalry rather then dread.
I was planning to always use the mercy rule I think seeing it legislated was the bug personally so in that sense there was no pretending.

**Privateerkev** · 04-24-2008, 14:21

Originally Posted by Northnovas

Yes the mercy rule. I think I was one of the first characters releasing prisoners and for the early game it kept AI armies around. I was trying to purposely build a character with chivalry rather then dread.
I was planning to always use the mercy rule I think seeing it legislated was the bug personally so in that sense there was no pretending.

Yeah I was just saying how Jan percieved things. Jan never forgot that Karl voted to allow murder.

Personally, I liked Karl. I liked him even more after I read the Illuminati thread. He turned out to be a very deep and complex character in my opinion. Which are way more fun to read about.

**OverKnight** · 04-27-2008, 15:36

Having thought about it, I'm glad that KotR ended when it did, at least from the perspective of Outremer. The Timurids were coming, and when Andreas kicked it, very frustrating, Matthias was once again the only avatar in the region.

This would have have negatively effected our usual tactics for hordes: Isolating single stacks and attacking with mutliple ones of our own. On top of that Matthias was in his mid to late fifties, so death, one way or another, was coming. Which would then leave Outremer with no avatars. Even if I, or Zim, had reincarnated with RGBs in the area, fighting hordes, and everyone else if spawned triple golds had continued, with avatars with minimal attributes would have been grim. Not to mention that I was hankering to fight in Europe again after so many years in the desert.

I was always surprised that Outremer remained viable as long as it did. I expected a credible "Germany First" camp to develop and strip the area of resources and troops. It's a testament to Henry's and econ21's vision that it never did happen. Of course it's always nice to have a place to send the dispossesed of the Duchies and have convenient access to Jerusalem for Pope vetoing.

**TinCow** · 04-28-2008, 16:13

Well, it partly survived because the Illuminati took over. We initially opposed it because it was a tool for getting one of us elected to Chancellor and because the position of King was held by our opponents. Once we held the position, we stopped criticizing it, because it increased our power. If another non-Illuminati had become King/Viceroy, we probably would have started protesting it again.