oh, (and apologies Ibrahim for once again derailing this thread back to missile cav tactics - by all means tell me to stop if you don't like their inclusion here) but Quintus Sertorius, in case you didn't read far enough into the thread to see this, I thought it was worth specifically posting the link to Sinan's waypoint method for using missile cav.

As he says, it requires a great deal of micromanagement but is extremely effective and almost indescribably beautiful if you can pull it off..

this discussion has gotten me fired up about cavalry and horse archers again...just when I thought I was settling into a nice infantry campaign with KH! maybe I should start a Saka or Sauromatae campaign on the side...