Installation Discussion

**TinCow** · 05-12-2008, 14:28

Any chance of getting some previews of the new map? A major bonus of using Vanillamod is that you're right here to deal with any problems that we may encounter. The main reason I have been voting against it is the lack of a larger map, though I also really like the BBB trait 'supply' system, as it's a fun and creative method of limiting expansion. The titles are nice, but less important IMO. If you could create some kind of supplemental mod to add the BBB supply system (w/ or w/o titles) into our game, I would be willing to change my vote and wait a couple weeks for your new map to be finished.

**AussieGiant** · 05-12-2008, 14:36

I see your point TC and it is a major factor, I agree.

I just can't get passed how important it would be to have FH right on top of things if anything happens.

if we can get FH to incorporate a few of the characteristics we like from the SS side of things then we'd be in great shape...I understand what I just said FH, (it's easy to say and much harder to actually do), but how possible would that be?

i.e. Map, titles, and supply system?

**FactionHeir** · 05-12-2008, 20:01

Map depends on how fast my mapper works, but I think 2-3 weeks is a realistic estimate for a first version and possibly another 1-2 to flesh things out properly if anything is missing or to fix some settlement names, win conditions, mongol spawning points, horde targets and new resources.
That is a relatively long period I admit, but some here were saying they can't make an early start anyway?

Supply/Titles. I can probably import supply system with almost no problems. Title system would be more difficult due to it being a different map and thus different region count and names. I can add generic titles though so that if you hold a settlement we can give you a certain title or we can give you title ancs according to your ingame PBM title.

The Map is for the general version but the supply/title changes will be a separate PBM version (to overwrite exisiting files).

Any other changes you want you will need to tell me early so I have time to consider them.

Btw, if you have been playing 0.92 note its currently in a beta stage still as I have been very hard pressed for time to test play it (I am but one modder/tester). It works pretty well overall and is stable but I'm still trying to improve strat map AI behavior more after some recent money changes to rebels which made it become a bit slothful compared to 0.91. Actually that won't be much of a problem once the new map is out because the normal vanilla map has some pretty bad pathfinding (especially for british isles and russia) which make the AI difficult to control using any means.

**Zim** · 05-12-2008, 20:13

My first choice was always BC, so I don't have any big attachment to SS (would have picked Lands to Conquer if I were asked to pick a mod that wasn't a total conversion).

Still, SS received far more votes than the other mods. It seems to me as if the mod earned its usage. I wouldn't change mods unless SS lost on another poll or the CTD issues were big enough to warrant an executive decision from Tincow.

I also am not enamored with the idea of waiting another 3-5 weeks but with some players wanting more time I guess that doesn't matter much (and a larger map really is the feature that would add the most to the game, so I can't really argue with time spent on that.

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If we do switch to vanillamod, we might have to reopen the faction poll (at least for the ERE and France). As much as I love the ERE, I fully sympathize with anyone that hates their vanilla skins.

**TinCow** · 05-12-2008, 20:33

3 to 5 weeks (at a minimum) is definitely a long time to wait, considering that we're almost done with the testing and rules discussion.

**FactionHeir** · 05-12-2008, 20:49

Originally Posted by TinCow

3 to 5 weeks (at a minimum) is definitely a long time to wait, considering that we're almost done with the testing and rules discussion.

At a maximum. Minimum would be sometime this or next week fully done. It really depends on how fast my mapper works on it.
Right now the map is more or less done, just needs some shrinking on the south and east and moving some settlements around. Its basic outline is that of an early Regions and Provinces Mod version.