Imperator

[FOIBOS]

hi everyone,
here is the situation:i m playing the romani campaign and i 've just won a battle in sicily against carhage,the next turn the message for the general was "imperator, he has to conquer the region and return to Rome to gain this title".
What region does it mean?the whole of sicily or the region that the carthies own? (the battle took place near messana ,wich is mine lilibeo is under Carthage)
does anyone met this before?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Imperator -> Does some slaughtering of enemies; brings an awful lot of loot with him -> Senate 'cheers' for him -> He goes to Rome -> Gets a nice new nickname or triumph.

Pretty much a sequence of events every Consul tried to replicate.

[FOIBOS]

Indeed the battle was something like 3000 carthies and 900 of me...Do you mean the only thing i have to do is get back to Rome?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yeah first conquer that region then bring him back to Roma and get his title would be what I'd do...

[FOIBOS]

You mean Lilibeo,thats the only region they hold in Sicily...

[QuintusSertorius]

Wait until a message says he needs to return to Roma to celebrate a triumph, then you'll get a trait giving +3 Influence. You need that same general to conquer Lilibeo to get it, though.

[ServiliusAhala]

The whole Triumph thing have to be redone i think. If you want to have a triumph, all you have to do is to go conquer a few settlements, get the Vansquisher trait, and then find some rebel army and attack it with at few FMS. Then you get triumph in no time at all.

[Africanvs]

Many systems that work perfectly well can still be exploited. Besides, gaining a Triumph in the Roman republic wasn't that difficult. Many times they were rewarded to a consul for simply quelling a minor rebellion of a restless Italian tribe. Only once the Senate started to fear the growing power of individual generals did they start handing them out more sparingly considering that a triumph was basically the biggest public relations ploy and popularity gaining tool available to a Roman politician. The mob loves a good parade. :)

[konny]

The whole Triumph thing have to be redone i think. If you want to have a triumph, all you have to do is to go conquer a few settlements, get the Vansquisher trait, and then find some rebel army and attack it with at few FMS. Then you get triumph in no time at all.

Conquering "a few settlements" - may be all of Sicily - should be worth a Triumph.

[ServiliusAhala]

Sicily is fine, but i got a triumph for taking Alalia once. Don't know if that's worth it.

[QuintusSertorius]

Sicily is fine, but i got a triumph for taking Alalia once. Don't know if that's worth it.

Corsica/Korsim wasn't fully pacified for over a century. All across the 2nd century BC consuls were winning triumphs for fighting the native tribes there.

[Captain Trek]

One of my generals was awarded a triumph once, but I returned him to Rome and nothing happened...

Basically what happened was that he was a fresh family member with more of an affinity for politics and governance than combat, but none-the-less I sent him and a small force to dispatch a rebel army outside of Rome (since the only other generals in range were attuned governors and I didn't want to risk them losing that trait)...

He won dispite being out-numbered and was declared 'imperator' by his army (which were by now just a rabble a few dozen men who had survived the battle with the rebel army (I only sent in four units to begin with, including the general)) and was, at the same time, awarded a triumph (the in-game description described it as a 'minor triumph' but none-the-less reccomended my general return to Rome for the celebrations...

Well he did, and nothing happened, so I sent him to govern a settlement... After reading up on triumphs I sent him back to Rome and this time stopped there for a few more seasons, but still nothing happened...

So I ask, do I HAVE to conquer a settlement to get the triumph celebrations? If not, what else am I doing wrong?

[QuintusSertorius]

There's three things that have to happen:
1) You get the Imperator trait when you win a Heroic Victory
2) You get the Vanquisher trait when conquering terrirory
3) You get a message popping up to tell you the Senate have voted for a triumph and that the FM needs to return to Roma to celebrate it.

1 and 2 can be in any order, but until 3 happens you won't get the Triumphator trait.

[Korlon]

You cannot gain triumphs for defeating rebel armies. All you can obtain are those lesser triumphs as you have said. So, there's no point in going back to Roma for that.

[Captain Trek]

You cannot gain triumphs for defeating rebel armies. All you can obtain are those lesser triumphs as you have said. So, there's no point in going back to Roma for that.

Well then something needs to be done about the game's flavour text telling you (or at least implying) that you SHOULD return to Rome...

[QuintusSertorius]

Well then something needs to be done about the game's flavour text telling you (or at least implying) that you SHOULD return to Rome...

Problem there is how you distinguish between Imperator granted for defeating Rebel and for AI factions. Not sure if the engine is sophisticated enough for that.

There's nothing wrong with getting Imperator for defeating Rebels, though, that happened from time to time. It's a spontaneous thing on the part of an army to declare their general such.

[Atilius]

There's three things that have to happen:
1) You get the Imperator trait when you win a Heroic Victory
2) You get the Vanquisher trait when conquering terrirory
3) You get a message popping up to tell you the Senate have voted for a triumph and that the FM needs to return to Roma to celebrate it.

You need 1 and 3 OR 2 and 3, not all three.

[Atilius]

You cannot gain triumphs for defeating rebel armies.

It is possible, though it's much harder.

[ServiliusAhala]

I get imperator for killing rebel armies, and sometimes an ovation on the same time. Really odd.