Legionaries Stats

[kambiz]

Simply ,Why do Leginaries have 2 points less Armour compare to Polybian Principes? See the Pics







As you see ,Principes' armour state is 12 while for legionary it is 10 ,Despite they use exactly the same equipments ,Same helmet same amrour (Lorica hamata). The only difference is pricipes has a greave on the leading leg. So why legionary has 2 points less armour than principes? Does that greave worth 2 points???


Also the inforamtion in "Unit list/Unit compare" file do not match the real info and especially unit's real states.


Thanks in advance

[Lovejoy]

Hmm dunno. Maybe the people in the Principe-class could afford better quality armour than the Roman-state could afford to buy and give the soldiers? Maybe its just a misstake?

[Foot]

Yes that greave is worth two points of armour.

Foot

[kambiz]

Yes that greave is worth two points of armour.

Dear Foot ,I think you are wrong ! See Evocata's Armour state




Evocata shares the same equipment as leginaries and pricipes ,expect Evocata has one greaves on each leg (2 greaves at all). If each greave worth 2 points then he should have armour value of 14 not 12 ! In fact for evocata you gave the greaves one point of armour value ,Which I think is a more realistic approach.


BTW Thanks for reply mate

[Korlon]

The greave on the left leg is much more important than the one on the right. They shouldn't be worth 2 points each. To make it realistic, the one on the right should be worth less.

[Tellos Athenaios]

A greave on the leading leg accounts for 2 points of armour IIRC; the other simply doesn't do anything but add to the picture.

So it all works out.

[russia almighty]

Besides, post marian legions are big units.

[Ibrahim]

yeah, they're fine the way they are...(mostly)

[kambiz]

A greave on the leading leg accounts for 2 points of armour IIRC; the other simply doesn't do anything but add to the picture.

So it all works out.

Sounds plausible Thanks Tellos


Anyway ,Another problem

Each Prima Cohors supposed to get a number (Roman number). But all of my Prima cohors have a "Legio" after their name without any number




What's wrong???

Thanks again for replies

[Fish-got-a-Sniper]

Why do many of the post-marian units look very stocky?

[The Persian Cataphract]

Why do many of the post-marian units look very stocky?

Different models. No matter how much we'd like it, there is no artist to our knowledge who'd volunteer to re-do all units and their variation for the sake of conformity

[Atilius]

Each Prima Cohors supposed to get a number (Roman number). But all of my Prima cohors have a "Legio" after their name without any number

Thanks. A fix will be available in the next update.

[kambiz]

Thanks. A fix will be available in the next update.

Thank you Atilius. Looking forward for that fix ,And hopefully it would be save compatible

Different models. No matter how much we'd like it, there is no artist to our knowledge who'd volunteer to re-do all units and their variation for the sake of conformity

Imo with a little changes old models would be fine. You just need to change Both Marian and Augustus legionary red tunics to white ones ,and the rest was fine the old models. For evocata you only need to change their helmet ,And you can use the Reformata helmet for them. And I don't know why did you change the centurion model at all (?!)

I'm not familiar with modeling stuff ,But if Modifying the currently created models is possible ,Then Every modeller with even a little modeling expereince for Rome should be able to do it easily. You just need to ask modeling community for help And make them ready for the next pacth. all for the sake of conformity

Cheers

[pantsukki]

You mean something like this? https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=102162

[kambiz]

You mean something like this? https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=102162

I didn't try it ,But yes somthing like that. However in this link we use the old .81 models with no changes. I'm suggesting the old models plus some little changes (Like using montefertino helmet instead of Coolus helmet for Evocata) to make them historically accurate in details and then they could be used as the final roman models for EB I (So no need to redoing the models)

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm afraid the situation is rather more complicated than that, all round.

[QuintusSertorius]

I'm afraid the situation is rather more complicated than that, all round.

Do explain why.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Do explain why.

well, to begin with there's an issue with the original models and ownership which meant that with the Imperial Cohort we couldn't just make changes, we had to remake it from scratch. Then there's the fact that there isn't a skinner/modeller available to make the changes that would make it worth while.

[The Persian Cataphract]

Yeah, I forgot to mention the really annoying part: Bureaucracy, creative and intellectual property... It's a real drag sometimes.

[QuintusSertorius]

So what happened to EB's modeller(s)?

[Foot]

They are all working on EBII.

Foot

[Elmetiacos]

Why do many of the post-marian units look very stocky?

Marius gave them steroids.

[Moros]

Edit nevermind.

[Parallel Pain]

Yes that greave is worth two points of armour.

It could be just me but I don't see greaves on the principes' legs.

And why is the one on the left more important?

[Korlon]

It could be just me but I don't see greaves on the principes' legs.

And why is the one on the left more important?

Because, in a fight, your left leg tends to be the leading one. Your right leg will generally not be easily accessible by the enemy weapons if you're in formation, so there's really not much point in protecting it.

[Megas Methuselah]

Presuming the legionary is right-handed, the left leg is more exposed to possible fatal blows.

EDIT: Korlon beat me... geez...

[Cambyses]

Presuming the legionary is right-handed, the left leg is more exposed to possible fatal blows.

EDIT: Korlon beat me... geez...

Surely all legionaries fight with the sword in their right hand and shield in the left?

My understanding was always that naturally left-handed people [aka contemporarily the devil's spawn) would be trained to use the other hand.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This is pre-Christian, so no devil-spawn. At least not like that. Having said that, I'm not sure about left-handers because legionaries fight individually, but as a team, not like hoplites who essentially fight as one.

[Torvus]

This is pre-Christian, so no devil-spawn. At least not like that. Having said that, I'm not sure about left-handers because legionaries fight individually, but as a team, not like hoplites who essentially fight as one.

the formation that the Roman Legions used was quite similar in principle to the phalanx of the hoplites. they did not fight individually. as for the second greave, well, a lucky thrust aimed at the other leg might do some damage, but it would be highly unlikely.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

the formation that the Roman Legions used was quite similar in principle to the phalanx of the hoplites. they did not fight individually. as for the second greave, well, a lucky thrust aimed at the other leg might do some damage, but it would be highly unlikely.

I said they fight individually as a team whereas the phalanx fight as one. The difference being that a legionary is a self contained unit independantly mobile and a hoplite isn't.