OOC Thread and Chatroom

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm sorry, only the Magnaura would do. The Representative isn't the kind of guy who frequents the Hippodrome, and the Patriarch would not deign to spend so much of his time arguing via letter. I guess next time...

[OverKnight]

The Patriarch is welcome in the Magnaura, Aleksios said so himself. The Patriarchal lickspittle (Represenative), however, is not.

The Basileus does not appreciate threats against his family by underlings.

I hope people can appreciate the distinction.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good God, I'm getting flashbacks of UPS Maximus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would argue "in person", but from what I know, great scholars and political enemies spent MUCH of their time arguing via letter.

Frankly the Patriarch, IC, would most likely not even allow an audience for a nobody like Monomachos to challenge his authority or his wisdom. Only a letter defending himself or brushing aside my arguments seems appropriate.

But if, one day, the great Patriarch feels I am a real threat worth debating, I'll take you on anytime, anywhere, with Bible in hand...

[Privateerkev]

Dismissing the argument of someone who won't come in person is a political tactic as well.

We've had debates by proxy in KotR before and there is a point where it becomes pointless. So, there seems to be an almost OOC tendency to treat an avatar that is in the Senate himself more seriously than if the message is delivered by proxy or letter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

as I said, react as you may. I am open to publicly berating and debating the Patriarch. However, if he's unwilling or unable to debate, thats fine too. The way I RP my character should not force anyone to act a certain way.

I am interested to see how people react, or if they even do, beyond a comment or two. I love testing the waters.

[Ramses II CP]

So, obviously, Vissa's replies are just the most obvious from the KJ's bible since I don't read 10th century Greek or have an appropriate copy on hand. Still I don't think there will be any trouble finding religious support for the legitmacy of Crusades. After all, they actually happened.

That said, I hope at least a person or two finds his support for the Crusade a bit over the top. It's meant that way.

And if anyone gets offended by a potential pseudo-religious discussion poke me now, since ATPG and I are both atheists (IIRC) and have nothing at stake.

[TinCow]

And about the crusade, is it possible for two people to sail to Egypt seperately and join up when they have both landed? Thus risking having to wait if one gets caught in a storm or something but hopefully increasing their chances of going faster.

Yep, that's entirely possible and you describe it exactly how it's intended to work.

[pevergreen]

I looked at the summary thread thingy and how am i in Antioch?

[TinCow]

The Library has now been fully updated and I have fixed all errors that have been pointed out. Please continue to post anything else that you think is wrong.

[Privateerkev]

The Library has now been fully updated and I have fixed all errors that have been pointed out. Please continue to post anything else that you think is wrong.

Anastasios Neokaisareitis should have 1 more influence for having 5+ dread. nevermind, he is just a Comes and can't use it.

The Caesar is a Hypatos, not a Domestikos on his library post. (though it is correct in the Political Alliances and Houses portion.) This doesn't raise his cap so his influence stays the same. He has 5 command, 5 chivalry, and 20+ stats but his rank only allows him to use 1 of those. Being Caesar allows him to use another. If he had given territory (he has 2) to one of his vassals before the Senate session, he could have been an Antypatos and gotten the use of the 3rd stat point.

Pavlos Chrysovergos should get 1 more influence for having 5+ command. nevermind, he is just a Comes and can't use it. If the Caesar would have gotten one of his people with land to swear to Pavlos, they would have more influence.

Methodios has enough stats for a couple points but can't use them since he has no land and vassals.

So, except for the Domestikos label on the Caesar's page, I don't see any errors. The Caesar is losing a couple of influence for his House by not making use of the Feudal ladder and land that is in his possession.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, obviously, Vissa's replies are just the most obvious from the KJ's bible since I don't read 10th century Greek or have an appropriate copy on hand. Still I don't think there will be any trouble finding religious support for the legitmacy of Crusades. After all, they actually happened.

That said, I hope at least a person or two finds his support for the Crusade a bit over the top. It's meant that way.

And if anyone gets offended by a potential pseudo-religious discussion poke me now, since ATPG and I are both atheists (IIRC) and have nothing at stake.

I would have no trouble finding what 90% of what the New Testament says directly controverts the theory of aggressive warfare and killing in God's name.



I guess all that stuff about mercy and forgiveness and turning the other cheek... slipped by those crusader types. It's easy to follow one's religion when nothing challenges it, but when something does and one has to forsake the message of one's faith in order to defend it, then it is not a message worth defending.

My point of view only.

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And I'm not specifically atheist, I believe in something comparable to God, I suppose. I believe that truth is sacred, and is in fact evidence that the universe is not "godless" and ungoverned by reason. But that's religion and somewhat outside the bounds of this thread, and who really cares what I think?

Also, I am glad to see that my vehement condemnation of this crusade has the support of one member of the royal family. I'm glad my character isn't a maniac raging against the system by himself.

As for the Order of the True Cross, don't ask.

[TinCow]

I hope my tidalwave of CAs hasn't confused anyone. Please feel free to ask questions about it or debate it in here. Most of that stuff is OOC, but I prefer to play by the rules whenever possible, so that stuff needed to be posted in the proper format.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just a heads-up, I'm going to be out of town and without internet access from the 19th to the 26th, so if you write the Patriarch and don't get a reply back for a while, this is why.

[deguerra]

Ditto. Am leaving tomorrow, will be back by Friday, both Australian time. I will update my Status thread to allow my House to move me and send TC and OK my votes for the Senate session.

[Ramses II CP]

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I would have no trouble finding what 90% of what the New Testament says directly controverts the theory of aggressive warfare and killing in God's name.



I guess all that stuff about mercy and forgiveness and turning the other cheek... slipped by those crusader types. It's easy to follow one's religion when nothing challenges it, but when something does and one has to forsake the message of one's faith in order to defend it, then it is not a message worth defending.

My point of view only.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And I'm not specifically atheist, I believe in something comparable to God, I suppose. I believe that truth is sacred, and is in fact evidence that the universe is not "godless" and ungoverned by reason. But that's religion and somewhat outside the bounds of this thread, and who really cares what I think?

Also, I am glad to see that my vehement condemnation of this crusade has the support of one member of the royal family. I'm glad my character isn't a maniac raging against the system by himself.

As for the Order of the True Cross, don't ask.

My point of view:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Bible, like most religious texts, supports any and every thing that the reader desires at the time of it's reading. You see peace and free love, some people see law and order, and others see war and conversion at the point of a sword. The difference isn't in the book, it's in you. I hope Vissa is able to convey some of that in his IC speech.

I'm specifically atheist, and (Not to open the discussion here, send me a pm if yer curious), I find the bland Unitarian/Universalist perspective the most difficult to understand perspective... except in guys who've just met a woman. You freshly GF'd ATPG?

Considering that your point of view has the support of the royal family, obvious Vissa is the one raging against the system.

[_Tristan_]

Happy Birthday EF !!





I brought a to your party !!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Today is EF's birthday??

Well..
In that case..

Happy Birthday!!!!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Perhaps I'm blind or something but I don't see the poll for the legislations

Oh never mind.. I am blind

[Privateerkev]

Happy birthday EF!



(since your too young to drink, I'll just have both.)

[Ferret]

They seemed to make me drink enough when I went to Crete

Thanks guys, loving the clown Tristan.

[AussieGiant]

Happy Birthday EF!!

They even make babies drink in Crete!!

[OverKnight]

The election for Megas looks close.

However it seems that any edict that manages to get seconded gets rubber stamped, not just now but since the beginning of the game.

[Privateerkev]

Getting a little worried OK? ;)

As for the Edicts, I think it is because in LotR, we can just take our private army and go and knock over the settlement next door. In KotR we would have to pass specific Edicts to take a specific settlement. And then we'd have to pass another to incorporate it into the Empire. And then we'd have to hope the Emperor actually gives it to us.

Now, since we don't have to go through that, Edicts seem to be either "lighter" stuff like "send a priest here" or "broader" like "declare war on faction X."

As for Mak, none of those Edicts were "rubber stamped." They were calculated political moves done with a purpose.

As for why others vote for them, who knows.

[Zim]

There haven't really been many controversial edicts. Even still, 3.1 and 3.3 are kind of on the edge, especially when you add that the only two avatars with more than 2 influence voted against them. They look like they'll pass at this point, but not by a landslide or anything.

Edit. A minute late.

The election for Megas looks close.

However it seems that any edict that manages to get seconded gets rubber stamped, not just now but since the beginning of the game.

[flyd]

It doesn't look that close to me. If I worked for CNN, I'd already be calling this one for Ignoramus.

It takes 18 votes to get over the half-way mark, if we assume that Lemongate, Smowz, and Byblos won't vote (and if they suddenly show up, they're all likely to vote for Ignoramus). At this stage, Ignoramus is leading 17-12, and Ituralde is likely to show up before the election is done with.

CNN has called it.

[Privateerkev]

I know but I was amused that OK thought it was close. Maybe he knew something I didn't.

This election was locked up before the session even started.

(of course, I think most of these elections are locked up ahead of time.)

[Cecil XIX]

Well, I've finished with the Map of the Houses. I hope it's good enough to go in the Library.

[flyd]

Cecil, if I make make an aesthetic suggestion. Since this is an internal map of the Empire, I would recommend painting all non-Imperial lands in rebel-grey. That'll make the house divisions stick out better.

[Privateerkev]

Hmm... I might have to rethink the "House" color...

The Order's territory looks like a giant bird dropping.