OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Privateerkev]

Isn't filling an army an OOC requirement? There shouldn't be any choice in the matter since we know there was massive spending last turn and not all of it was required by OOC rules to go ahead of filling out the army in question.

I guess the question I'm asking is what form the rule enforcement will take for violating an OOC rule for IC purposes?

Yes, OOC, Ignoramus the player has to fill those armies or completely halt ALL recruitment.

Completely regardless of his avatar's feelings towards some of the army owners.

But, I felt it was entirely appropriate to rant IC about this. Also, I have mentioned this to him OOC in a PM so I didn't want to be too hard on him OOC. IC however is another matter...

All I want to see OOC is that the rules are followed with regards to army fulfillment. Besides that, the rest of my rant was IC and should be taken as such.

[flyd]

Yes, OOC, Ignoramus the player has to fill those armies or completely halt ALL recruitment.

The good news is that at the current treasury level, he won't be able to start much recruitment in the first place to even have the chance to break that rule.

[ULC]

I'm letting everyone here know, I may not be on this week, or the next, or as indefinitely for that matter. I'm having RL issues with housing and school that may rob me of internet or more. Just wanted let eevryone know so if you have any questions about the Organization, defer them to GH for right now.

[Privateerkev]

Question for my history thread: Was there a Megas Logothetes report for the beginning of 1113? I looked around and I haven't seen it.

Now I could simply be missing it due to the confusion surrounding the pause in play, but if anyone spots it, could they send me a link?

first report but Savvas rebelled. second attempt but Savvas rebelled again. 3rd attempt and the save we are working off of currently.

The good news is that at the current treasury level, he won't be able to start much recruitment in the first place to even have the chance to break that rule.

Well, it is still an appropriate thing to complain about IC. Especially since he neglected to recruit anything for Cecil at all when he was recruiting for everyone else.

The rules says all recruitment. Ioannis interpreted that not to include the hiring of mercenaries.

"If a Private or Royal Army falls below the minimum strength level, all military recruitment must be allocated to restoring the Army to minimum strength before money can be spent on other recruitment, unless the owner agrees otherwise."

We can wait for TC to make a ruling on this but I'm pretty sure you can't recruit mercs to get around filling armies. And if that is why the Empire just slid into debt, the IC aspect just got even more interesting.

[Ignoramus]

Also, things are ridiculously hard to untangle of who requires what and who owns what. The fact that players can "hoard" units by getting them into garrisons means that army upkeep skyrockets.

The second report is completely true regarding the 3rd save. The problem was that I accidently uploaded the wrong save.

[Privateerkev]

Also, things are ridiculously hard to untangle of who requires what and who owns what. The fact that players can "hoard" units by getting them into garrisons means that army upkeep skyrockets.

That's why there needs to be some IC politicking on who disbands what. One of the few good things about the Order having almost nothing, is that we don't have any fat to trim.

[Ignoramus]

At least you're historically accurate. Shortages of manpower were commonplace among the Crusader states.

[OverKnight]

Cool, found the report. Sorry, I'm in the middle of a long and blurry work day.

History should be up to date.

[Privateerkev]

At least you're historically accurate. Shortages of manpower were commonplace among the Crusader states.

True but that will do little to placate me IC.

[Ramses II CP]

The good news is that at the current treasury level, he won't be able to start much recruitment in the first place to even have the chance to break that rule.

The point is that he did break it, just now, for IC reasons. In a turn when he spent three turns worth of Crusader support funds on various other stuff.

I want it to be absolutely clear that if we hand out a pass here this rule is going to be ignored in the future. It's difficult to keep track of and it goes against a character's IC inclinations. If there's no enforcement this time it would be better simply to take the rule out.

Oh, and FYI we settled the mercenaries being recruitment bit during the test game. They are, and yes you have to do the required armies first, even if it means hiring mercenaries. This isn't a matter of interpretation and I find it very annoying that we're required to remind our Megas of rules matters that are long settled. Furthermore there couldn't be any non-prioritized construction unless there was recruitment done first, nor building ships, watch towers, forts, etc.

[_Tristan_]

The point is that he did break it, just now, for IC reasons. In a turn when he spent three turns worth of Crusader support funds on various other stuff.

I want it to be absolutely clear that if we hand out a pass here this rule is going to be ignored in the future. It's difficult to keep track of and it goes against a character's IC inclinations. If there's no enforcement this time it would be better simply to take the rule out.

Oh, and FYI we settled the mercenaries being recruitment bit during the test game. They are, and yes you have to do the required armies first, even if it means hiring mercenaries. This isn't a matter of interpretation and I find it very annoying that we're required to remind our Megas of rules matters that are long settled.

Exactly the reason why I sued for impeachment IC...

[TinCow]

Ig, since you are online I would be greatful if you could decide on the adoption issue right now while I'm working on the save.

[AussieGiant]

Well there seems to be a technicality now with TC's last post.

We'll have to wait and see what the final situation is before continuing IC.

[Kagemusha]

Tincow, while you are working with the save, could you move my character towards Constantinopole, so i dont have to take the save for that?

[TinCow]

Sure thing.

[Ignoramus]

I'll adopt Ioannis Kantakouzinos.

Sorry TC. I didn't know you'd put a special save up. Sorry for all the inconvinience. I'm really sorry to everyone if I'm mucking up the game OOC.