OOC Thread and Chatroom

**Andres** · 07-30-2008, 14:55

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Frankly I think handling it IC sends the wrong message. OOC rules should not be available for debate. The foundation of the game is the respect all players are required to show to those rules. We're talking about the same rules that prevent us from moving each other's avatars at will here.

If the OOC rules are negotiable IC then we're going to see a lot more chaos. What's to prevent me from grabbing the save and moving all the crusaders except myself away from Egypt? An OOC rule... but if I can explain it IC does that make it okay?

I understand and agree with your point of view.

Imo, TinCow is Gamemaster and it seems to me that this is entirely his decision. Maybe it's better if the OOC aspect of this matter is dealt with by TC, in private?

As for the IC aspect of the matter, let the games begin

Just my

**Privateerkev** · 07-30-2008, 14:59

Ramses:

I'm talking about it IC because it seems appropriate to push for IC consequences. Plus, fits with my character... ;)

But yes, I would like a ruling on this from TC. We long established that the rules are set in stone. (until they are changed by CA's.)

If this was a misunderstanding by Ig, that would be different. But he admits to ignoring the rules on purpose.

And unlike KotR, it is actually against the Rules to break the Rules. (unless it is an event.)

**Andres** · 07-30-2008, 15:12

Edited this out in the Magnaura:

Originally Posted by PK

OOC: Guys, we're talking about the rules of the game here. The ones TC has told us over and over, that they are not to be broken. Well, I can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they were broken.

OOC: True that, but that's OOC. IC, impeachment requires 2/3d votes. If 1/3+1 does not want to offend the Caesar IC for whatever IC reasons, then he will not be impeached. The impeachment is an IC "punishment" and should only be invoked for IC reasons. I'll try to explain: e.g. Senator X knows that the Caesar violated the Constitution, but since he's loyal to the Caesar or because he thinks he will gain political benefits by supporting the Caesar, he won't impeach the Megas who is Caesar. That same Senator X might vote for an impeachment of another Megas who violated the Constitution, because the other Megas is not on his side or is just a poor guy without real power or importance

It's politics, those in powerful positions can do more then others. OOC I agree 100 % with you: a rule that shouldn't have been broken has been broken, but that's OOC and it's up to TC to make a decision about an appropriate punishiment. I'm sure that a player who goes a step too far in breaking the rules, will face the "Wrath of God", i.e. TC will certainly throw some lightning bolts at that players' avatar...

**Privateerkev** · 07-30-2008, 15:15

Well, in Mak's opinion there is more than enough reason to impeach. If the Emperor wants, we can get an emergency session underway and put the Caesar on trial.

As for myself, I just want the rules followed. They weren't. And if we are going to make the rules "unbreakable" then they need to be enforced.

If people want to keep that part OOC, I totally understand. But to me, there are more than enough IC reasons to push for IC punishment.

So, I will go two pronged on this. I will push for an IC punishment for IC reasons. And I will ask us to discuss OOC what to do about a clear violation of the rules and how we can prevent this from happening.

**AussieGiant** · 07-30-2008, 15:43

For the record I'm going to keep myself focused on the IC stuff.

TC's the only one in a position to handle the OOC stuff and I'm sure he will handle that with aplomb as usual.

So, lets see if the father is willing to impeach his son...not a strong start for the Impeachment camp but hell, it will be fun.