Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Privateerkev]

Disco has been posting very sparsely all game long, but there haven't been many rounds in which he hasn't posted at all (just one by my count), and he's never been under any sort of pressure. To me, it looks very much like he could be employing a particular strategy.

Disco has missed 5 rounds, not 1. I go by GH's terms for voting. If you post during the day phase at all, but do not vote, he puts you down as "abstain". If you do not post at all during that day phase, then you "didn't vote". So, any "no votes" in my table mean that player was missing for that entire day period.

Sadly Disco's absences aren't the worst. There were WoG's where people had missed at least 6 day phases before being WoG'd. And strangely, there was one WoG (Fenring) that only missed 3. So, I guess GH is not using a set specific criteria for WoGging.

[Sigurd]

edit: [snip] (table can't be quoted)

There was one WoG (Fenring) that only missed 3.

Really? ...

This paints an interesting picture. My guess is that Fenrig was WoG'ed for 3 consecutive no votes and not 3 in total.
But using that criteria both khaan and Kage should be in trouble.
If you take away the extra votes (tie votes) only khaan is in trouble. To be fair he should meet the same fate that met Fenrig, yet he is still alive.
More lenient towards Mafiosi GH?

Heh, this should be the norm in future games. WoG townies early and mafiosi late. That way the lurking mafiosi will stand out like a sore thumb.

[FactionHeir]

Hmmm CIMIR.

Up to D5a: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=804
N6: E
D6: assumed to be complete
N7:
consiidering (added i)
Unfortnately (missing u)
suffciciency (added c)
commmissions (added m)
Extraordinaiire (aaded i)
stuffd (missing e)
occurrred (aaded r)

Can someone find the letters of the rest writeups? Or did Kommodus have a list of all somewhere?

[TinCow]

Have we tried to do the letter puzzle, but remove the 'added' letters? For instance, if an I is missing at one point, but then is added later on, have we tried removing the I from the sequence altogether? (I seriously can't remember.)

[FactionHeir]

In my first linked post I have.

[Kagemusha]

I still believe that the mafia is Makaikhaan and Tincow. Khaan might have been actually absent while Tincow have orchestrated the mafia actions. It seems more clear more i think about it. Tincow could easily come up with the smokescreen like the word puzzle. Also he seems determined to get me lynched, while he couldnt answer what he is basing his statements like "there is strong evidence against Kagemusha. The thread also gives away that Khaan and Tincow have acted in unison, seemingly protecting one another and voting different persons on different rounds to keep each other alive.

For my part. The strongest defense i can make is that those who know how i play these games, should understand that as mafia i would not put myself in this kind of situation, where im the obvious lynch bait, for example Sarathos, you should know as we have been in the same mafia team. Has it been me the mafia, i would have used Kukri as lynch bait.

To the people who criticise me of not being helpful or not being enough helpful. If being helpful means that i should post voting patterns through out the game or how many posts people make and judge them based on that who is the mafia, i have one word for you, Holmes.

Kommodus can vouch me on this because last time when we were mafia partners, Kommodus run Holmes on me through out the game in testing purposes. His judgement was that i didnt look guilty at all based on that method. So i apologize for not conducting such observation on players via method i think one can fool.

So to Sarathos and disco. Think these things. The main issue being, if i would be mafia, would i have played the end game like this. Also look carefully those who are most eager to get me lynched and try to find a motivation for their behavior. My vote is placed and it will not move, unless something rather amazing happens, think about how well you have thought who you have voted or are going to vote.

[Sarathos]

I can't find any real link between Sarathos and the lynchees plus I simply don't think he is good enough to fool us as completely as this mafia has.

You have a very good point there Kage, but I am still unsure whether to believe it or not.

I am going to take a risk and Unvote:Kagemusha and Vote:Makaikhaan. I have had time to think this over, Maka using his usual tactics the link between TinCow and Makaikhaan does sound very believable.

[TinCow]

While the reasoning may be faulty behind the vote change, I do think that khaan is the best choice between the three lurkers. If we absolutely have to lynch one of those three, he would be my preference as well. I still think Kage is the best choice, but there is still some hope of a victory if khaan is stretched.

[Kommodus]

Disco has missed 5 rounds, not 1. I go by GH's terms for voting. If you post during the day phase at all, but do not vote, he puts you down as "abstain". If you do not post at all during that day phase, then you "didn't vote". So, any "no votes" in my table mean that player was missing for that entire day period.

I was going by posts during the entire round, including night phases. By that method, disco has missed only one round entirely (I think round 2). I don't recall GH's exact criteria for WoGing, but from memory I think disco's minimalist level of participation would be enough to spare him from the axe.

Tincow could easily come up with the smokescreen like the word puzzle.

See, this is what I don't get about you, Kage. GH promised some sort of "twist" at the start of this game. This is the final round, and the word puzzle is the only candidate we have so far for being that twist. The statements in French are always part of Beirut's pronouncements, not part of the mafia's kills, and in GH's games the mafia have never had the sort of total control over the writeups that would be required to create a word puzzle like this.

So what makes you so convinced that the puzzle is the invention of the mafia?

I tried taking the list of removed letters, then subtracting from that list the letters that were added back into the four words I mentioned in my earlier post (CIMIR). The resulting jumbled list of letters appeared to almost contain the word INVESTIGATE (except that it was short one T; maybe I'd missed something?). After subtracting the letters of the word INVESTIGATE, I was left with the following letters:

SANSUE

Which, again, means nothing to me.

EDIT: Also, what do people think of makaikhaan's very long absence? Usually in GH games, both mafiosi have to send in kills in order to get two kills (unless one of them is dead and the survivor is doing everything). Khaan just vanished for an extended period of time. I would like to know why he's under suspicion.

[FactionHeir]

GH did say in the second french note how not all letters are relevant and some need to be added.

[discovery1]

as expected heir. Kage talked me into voting for for khaan.

[FactionHeir]

And you are not going to question his words nor the statement of defense TC made or any of the other comments in this thread such ass those by PK and Kommodus?

[Privateerkev]

*sigh*

I weep for the town's future...

[TinCow]

Eh, at this rate it's probably Sarathos.

[Crazed Rabbit]

as expected heir. Kage talked me into voting for for khaan.

In the chat? You should now that's a powerful tool for the mafia to convince people.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Also, Kage's defense has rested heavily on his WIFOM assertion that he would not kill townies so as to leave three lurkers left.

After Mafia I, he told me he killed townies working from a random list. Now, if he followed that strategy, which lead to victory before, again he could easily end up with having three lurkers and himself left.

CR

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

*sigh*

You're making a big mistake. Echoing what CR, PK and Tincow have said above, it has to Kage. Its my personal opinion that he left himself with three lurkers hoping that they wouldn't show up and that if they did he could talk them round.

Congratulations remaining townies... you're being strung along.

What a dismal ending.

[TinCow]

EDIT: Also, what do people think of makaikhaan's very long absence? Usually in GH games, both mafiosi have to send in kills in order to get two kills (unless one of them is dead and the survivor is doing everything). Khaan just vanished for an extended period of time. I would like to know why he's under suspicion.

GH said that if a mafioso was absent, his dead partner could send in orders. That fragged our innocence via absence assumptions:

Figured that I might as well say that if a mafioso is inactive, I'll allow his partner to send in kills for him regardless of state, but that mafioso is still under threat of being Wogged.

[Kagemusha]

I was going by posts during the entire round, including night phases. By that method, disco has missed only one round entirely (I think round 2). I don't recall GH's exact criteria for WoGing, but from memory I think disco's minimalist level of participation would be enough to spare him from the axe.



See, this is what I don't get about you, Kage. GH promised some sort of "twist" at the start of this game. This is the final round, and the word puzzle is the only candidate we have so far for being that twist. The statements in French are always part of Beirut's pronouncements, not part of the mafia's kills, and in GH's games the mafia have never had the sort of total control over the writeups that would be required to create a word puzzle like this.

So what makes you so convinced that the puzzle is the invention of the mafia?

I tried taking the list of removed letters, then subtracting from that list the letters that were added back into the four words I mentioned in my earlier post (CIMIR). The resulting jumbled list of letters appeared to almost contain the word INVESTIGATE (except that it was short one T; maybe I'd missed something?). After subtracting the letters of the word INVESTIGATE, I was left with the following letters:

SANSUE

Which, again, means nothing to me.

EDIT: Also, what do people think of makaikhaan's very long absence? Usually in GH games, both mafiosi have to send in kills in order to get two kills (unless one of them is dead and the survivor is doing everything). Khaan just vanished for an extended period of time. I would like to know why he's under suspicion.

The sole reason being that i dont think GH would mess up mafias game, since this format is hard enough as it is. The word game takes the attention of the smart uns. They focus on it, because they like to solve puzzles and itsd just normal to have a hope off some help even if it wouldnt be there. In my mind it looks like a perfect distraction.

[GeneralHankerchief]

12 hours left.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think it's Kage. Disco is also suspicious, but not as much.

Sarathos - If Makai is mafia that mean's there's two mafiosos left, making this phase meaningless, as someone would've had to send the kill orders to GH. So we can ignore him. (I think, anyway.)

To me, being gone for a week or more is not his usual tactics.

CR

[woad&fangs]

I am honestly shocked and apalled that it is the end phase and we aren't even using correct information to form our opinions.

The word game is GH's doing. He promised a twist, that is it. It is constantly being referenced in the lynch writeups which the mafia have no control over.

Makaikhaan can be mafia because his dead partner can send kills in his absence.

Makaikhaan going MIA for a week was because of an unexpected event coming up. He thought he would have internet connection and he did not. His absence means nothing towards his innocence or guilt.

okay, ranting over.

Kommodus, could you run a Holmes scan on the remaining 4 players?

Our theory of makaikhaan being mafia revolves around his partner being TinCow. TinCow just said he was okay with makaikhaan being lynched. Is this a clever case of reverse psychology or are they not really partners?

On an individual basis I think Kagemusha is acting the most scummy out of the remaining players but I still can't rap my head around who his partner might be so I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Privateerkev]

I agree with CR and W&F.

It's probably Kag.

Lynch him and get this over with.

[discovery1]

Vote: Makaikhaan

[FactionHeir]

A vote without any comments? Very scummy.

I'm starting to think we should lynch discovery1 today.