The Magnaura

[Kagemusha]

" Hypothetical Criminal neglect is nothing compared your men openly accusing the Caesar being a murderer, that is a grave insult and treacherous lies and you Makedonias are accountable for your men and what they say. Dont you understand how serious accusation is to accuse the heir of Roman empire as a murderer?"

[Privateerkev]

Exactly what part of the Caesar's criminal neglect is "hypothetical?"

He really did neglect the Order. And he really did break the law to do it. I fail to see what part is "hypothetical." My men are really dead because the Caesar really did withhold reinforcements by really breaking the law.

[Kagemusha]

"And exactly how serious is to accuse the heir of Roman empire of being murderer without any proof? People make mistakes and it is relatively easy to make one in a financial crisis, like one which was over the empire during Caesars reign as Megas. But that is nothing compared to accusing a member of royal household and heir to the throne from being a murderer, without any proof."

[Privateerkev]

We're going in circles...

The Caesar didn't make a "financial error." He neglected us, by his own admission, and broke the law to do it. Don't confuse one thing with another.

As for what Vissa said, take it up with the Emperor if you don't like what was said. I have spoken with him multiple times. But I refuse to take more action at this time since he techincally hasn't broken any rules. From his point of view, the Caesar is a murderer. You can disagree with him, but you have to admit that he believes it.

Therefore, any further action against Vissas will have to be instituted by the Emperor himself. If you do not like how the Emperor is handling the situation, I suggest you bring it up with him.

[Kagemusha]

"And you call yourself a chivalrous man. Braking some letter of law, which did not even result into anything serious is such a huge crime, while your underlings run around insulting people and spreading lies. Calling people murderers is not matter of opinion. If one holds such opinions without any evidence what so ever, one should be intelligent enough and have some manners and should not go running around spreading lies. In my personal opinion Basileus is far too lenient towards your underling and towards you, who should be able to control your own men, but maybe this is just another proof that you are you something very different then you act. Chivalrous servants of God should act bit different then you do. It seems that your order is just a lawyer masked as monk warrior, leading rabble that act like a street crowd."

[Privateerkev]

You keep saying "underlings" in the plural. While many in here have had choice words for the Caesar, only Vissa is my vassal. The rest I have no influence over. You'll have to talk to their lords or the Emperor.

And I disagree that the Caesar's criminal neglect "did not even result into anything serious is such a huge crime."

His neglect put the city of Antioch at risk because we were ill-prepared to deal with the enemy. And it put Constantinople itself at risk because we were ill-prepared to deal with the Jihad. So, the Caesar put tens of thousands of Imperial citizens at risk for petty politics.

I would call that a "huge crime." Which is why I asked, repeatedly, for the man to be impeached from the office of Megas.

[Andres]

Exactly what part of the Caesar's criminal neglect is "hypothetical?"

He really did neglect the Order. And he really did break the law to do it. I fail to see what part is "hypothetical." My men are really dead because the Caesar really did withhold reinforcements by really breaking the law.

Oh, here I was, thinking it were the Egyptians who killed your men...

Silly me, it was the Caesar disguised as a Sultan...

And since you killed the sultan, our Caesar is a zombie?

Well, well, what fascinating developpements.

[Privateerkev]

The Caesar starved my armies of troops when the enemy was coming. Sarcasm and strawmen will get you nowhere.

*edit*

OOC: Fine with me. :D

[Andres]

The Caesar starved my armies of troops when the enemy was coming. Sarcasm and strawmen will get you nowhere.

And you are a Comes until the session is over. How can you expect to be Megas if you can't read the rules?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

OOC: I'll edit out the comment about my rank, maybe you can do so as well, until TC made a decision?

[OverKnight]

The Basileus reenters the Magnaura. Oddly, his shoes are a bit dirty.

Balance has been a recurring theme presented in this Session. Yet there seems little of it to be found among accussations and wordplay.

We must find a way to go forward. To keep what we have gained intact. To make sure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

Aleksios pauses, he looks very tired.

It is clear that Makedonios Ksanthopoulos was the selection of the majority of Senators, if not the most powerful. Now it appears we also have some unorthodox manuevering of oaths as well in order to influence the second round of voting, which I'm not sure is legal in this situation.

With all this in mind, I intend to change my vote. I endorse Makedonios Ksanthopoulos for Megas Logothetes. The Empire would be best served by a Megas who has the support of the majority of the Senate behind him.

I mean this as no insult to Senator ek Militou. His repulsion of the Egyptian invasion was masterful, and I value his service to the Empire.

I hope the Grandmaster can live up to his rhetoric.

[Kagemusha]

Kantakouzinos mutters to himself with a voice others cant hear.

"Now we will see what the Grandmaster really is."

He sips the rest of his wine with one swallow and raises his voice.

"Congratulations Grandmaster!"

Ioannis looks at the last rays of light shining through a large window of the Senate and building and then leaves the senate, without waiting for an answer.

[Andres]

The Basileus reenters the Magnaura. Oddly, his shoes are a bit dirty.

Balance has been a recurring theme presented in this Session. Yet there seems little of it to be found among accussations and wordplay.

We must find a way to go forward. To keep what we have gained intact. To make sure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

Aleksios pauses, he looks very tired.

It is clear that Makedonios Ksanthopoulos was the selection of the majority of Senators, if not the most powerful. Now it appears we also have some unorthodox manuevering of oaths as well in order to influence the second round of voting, which I'm not sure is legal in this situation.

With all this in mind, I intend to change my vote. I endorse Makedonios Ksanthopoulos for Megas Logothetes. The Empire would be best served by a Megas who has the support of the majority of the Senate behind him.

I mean this as no insult to Senator ek Militou. His repulsion of the Egyptian invasion was masterful, and I value his service to the Empire.

I hope the Grandmaster can live up to his rhetoric.

Savvas looks perplex when he hears the words of his emperor.

There is nothing unorthodox with the changing of oaths and it has nothing to do with the current elections. The oath switching you are mentioning, is the result of long negotations, which were conducted with the interests of the Empire in mind.

Mylord, I am very, very disappointed.

Savvas leaves the Magnaura, an angry look on his face.

[Andres]

Savvas re-enters the Magnaura, and speaks, his voice trembling with anger and rage.

Years, no, not years, decades of loyal service. Decades! My whole life!

I have always (Savvas screams the word) defended you and I have always defended the actions of your son! Out of loyalty and out of love for the Royal family.

And what do I get in return from you, Basileus? Disrespect. Yes, my emperor, I feel disrespected! I will remain loyal to the Royal family, as I have always been, but I will never forget the insult and the ungratefullness of Emperor Aleskios Komnenos.

I am utterly disgusted!