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    Ioannis starts banging his fist on his chair until there is some silence before standing up to speak

    Will you all be silent!

    What is this madness!

    First, Savvas, you do your reputation a grave harm with your conduct. That you remain adversarial towards your opponent in the election is understandable, but rampant accusations and wild theories are beneath you and any other Senator.

    You speak of one house not gaining too much power, when this past term it was the Komnenodouaki who gained much more than all others. I do not have a problem with this. They fought valiantly against a common foe of all the Empire and took land and required men in the process. But you can hardly accuse other Houses of too much power!

    Furthermore, your accusations against Makedonios are laughable, and as my newly-acquired vassal I sharply reject your accusations of House Asteri having any false motives in voting for the Grandmaster. I happen to think he will be a good Megas. I happen to think this Empire needs balance. I have nothing against you, and at any other time in any other position would have voted for you. I thought I had made that abundantly clear.

    Finally, you slander the Basileos, which I will not let stand. In his wisdom, he has decided to vote differently because the Empire required stability and not another tie. That he puts the Empire's interests before those of himself and his famly should be applauded, not attacked.

    And lastly, let me say I in now way endorse all these strangers in these halls.

    The Senate of the Roman Empire is for Senators of the Roman Empire. We have allowed scribes and proxies because we thought them necessary. Quite frankly, I would be happier if ONLY Senators were allowed to speak at all, while others would only observe. But I will not stand for people not even representing a Senator not only attending but speaking here. If they are not officially invited, they should be removed. And probably thrown in jail while we're at it.

    Given that this man is a member, former or not, of the Organisation, and I might add has approached me in at least one other capacity, I would most like to speak to him, so I would ask that the Basileos have the Varagnians detain him right NOW!
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    Savvas nods to Ioannis Kalamateros.

    I apologise for the anger and the rage I displayed in this body, Senator. I got carried away by my emotions.

    I also apologise to the Emperor for my harsh words and how I phrased my thoughts.

    But I still sincerely believe that the Emperor makes a gigantic mistake by putting the nemesis of his son in charge of the Empire.

    Savvas looks at the merchants.

    And if you two don't leave instantly, I will drag you out of the Senate myself, injured or not.

    And that man (points at the conspiracy theorist) should be put in jail. Maybe a short stay in the torture chamber will make him show us some proof.
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    I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

    Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

    But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

    Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

    It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Privateerkev View Post
    I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

    Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

    But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

    Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

    It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.
    I apologised for my outburst.

    Strange enough, I was angry, no I still am angry, because I am loyal to the Royal family.

    You see, Grandmaster, I wasn't angry because I won't be Megas, I was angry because you will become Megas.

    I would have been evenly outraged if the candidate for Megas was somebody else.

    The mistake of the Emperor is not that he doesn't vote for me, the mistake consists of voting and thus making you the next Megas.

    You say that you are not the nemesis of our Caesar, but we all know better, Grandmaster.

    You let your vassals insult the Caesar without having them punished or facing real consquences, in the meanwhile hiding yourself behind an aura of being chivalrous and on higher moral grounds than the rest of us.

    And don't you start again with your "complain to the Basileus" mantra.

    It are your vassals and you are responsible for them.

    Let there be no doubt about my loyalties. But a true loyal servant dares to disagree with his lord. If the Basileus makes a mistake, than I will say so. What good is a servant who always bows always says "yes" and never questions the decisions of his lord, how foolish they may be.

    Don't lecture me about loyalty, Grandmaster.
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    Savvas, please end this.
    You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?

    In any case, I fear no amount of debates or arguments will satisfy you. The Emperor has decided to vote against you, and there is nothing you can do about it. If you think calling out against the Basileus will help, then you are wrong. You look more and more like a fool, whose only interest is power.
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    I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

    Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

    Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

    Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.
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    Efstathios smiles..

    Indeed.. Last time I checked I was not Grandmasters vassal.
    And I do not insult the Caesar. Oh no. I just speak the truth and the truth is that.. Vissarionas is right about everything he have said against Caesar.
    Mark my words but once he gets the throne.. well.. everything good his father have done shall be destroyed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WH
    You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?
    Ah, but Makedonios isn't disagreeing with Vissa... If he would really disagree with Vissa, he would make him face real consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Privateerkev View Post
    I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

    Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

    Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

    Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.
    Are we going to discuss grammar now? Haven't you got anything better to do, dear Megas? Like building armies for the Order?

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