Least attractive regions in M2TW

[KingKnudthebloodthirsty]

Durazzo is a horrible region. It's basically an empty wasteland with almost no potential. when capturing it, i get no $ for sacking or exterminating it and only 2$ for occupying. Is that a joke??!!?? the only usefulness for durazzo is playing as venice, take the city and give it to the pope as a buffer to protect u from the byzantines. Playing as Sicily, i avoid missions to take durrazo and id always launch an invasion of the byzantines directly from italy rather than via durazzo. Even if the byz take it, i save it for last since without the other wealthy provinces, its just a matter of time till theyfall with only durazzo.

[FactionHeir]

That's what happens if you take it early. Its a 400 people settlement with low farming level.
Let the AI take it and build it up as they get a bonus to growth.

[ReiseReise]

I asked the same question 6 months ago but got some different answers.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=99557

[Lancome]

Definitely I would say Tripoli... sucks at as a dough maker, no settlements near by except Tunis for Reinforcements when Attacked by the Mogols, It doesnt even make A good staging point when you start take the battle to muslims to the east. Might as well end up taking Cyprus.

[Ratwar]

I'm actually really surprised that nobody's mentioned Bern yet. Landlocked castles bordered by 3 other landlocked castles (all of which are in a better position to control the area's choke points) don't rank very highly in my book.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't know. I'd like to challenge you on that one Ratwar (in a friendly way of course)

Every castle helps, it's in a central European position, and Milan can easily get to it to establish a presence with castle troops, in a time when Ajaccio and the other island province are so weak and useless.

If it were a castle in Timbuktu I could understand, but when it's on the border of Italy, France, and Germany...



Having so many castles in one area allows you to specialize them. One can be infantry, the other cavalry, and the third can be archers. It takes one-third of the time required to upgrade one castle as it does to upgrade three. And you can recruit on average about 9 units per turn just in that general area, all powerful professionals.

Plus they are awful as cities. So why not?

[PBI]

Then again, all the other factions in the area already start with a castle, and Milan doesn't need one. I could see the case for taking Bern as say France in order to deny it to Milan, if it weren't for the fact that all Milan's best troops are city produced.

In fact, I might even suggest Bern is a liability for Milan, since it involves isolating a large garrison north of the Alps and too far away to help its precious Italian cities if they are attacked, as well as leading Milan to waste its money on its overpriced and underpowered castle troops. By this logic it also makes sense for France and the HRE to avoid it as well, since they don't really need it to produce troops and it is inevitable that Milan will waste their time, money and troops attacking its large garrison if you do not. Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake, and all that.

[Ratwar]

I don't know. I'd like to challenge you on that one Ratwar (in a friendly way of course)

Every castle helps, it's in a central European position, and Milan can easily get to it to establish a presence with castle troops, in a time when Ajaccio and the other island province are so weak and useless.

If it were a castle in Timbuktu I could understand, but when it's on the border of Italy, France, and Germany...



Having so many castles in one area allows you to specialize them. One can be infantry, the other cavalry, and the third can be archers. It takes one-third of the time required to upgrade one castle as it does to upgrade three. And you can recruit on average about 9 units per turn just in that general area, all powerful professionals.

Plus they are awful as cities. So why not?

I accept!

Centralized geographically in the big picture doesn't really matter (in my opinion). Its local position is on the alternate route between Dijon and Milan. There's a better route. Plus the lack of roads make going East or North wasteful. Now this might be different as a blitzer, I don't know.

As Poor Bloody Infantry already stated, Germany already has a castle in the area and even if France doesn't take Metz, they have far too many castles in the West to really need the troop production of another. Neither of those nations especially needs or wants Bern (and as AI players, they rarely take it). This leaves Milan as the lone country that might find Bern useful. Since Milan is perfectly capable of winning the game without bothering with castles, we can't say that even Milan should value it that highly. Of course, since you said:

Helsinki for every faction besides Russia

I think it is safe to say that you agree that one factions needs do not make a region valuable.

[Lancome]

I'm actually really surprised that nobody's mentioned Bern yet. Landlocked castles bordered by 3 other landlocked castles (all of which are in a better position to control the area's choke points) don't rank very highly in my book.

WHAT? Bern is useful... it enables me to have a place to replace my troops before I end up striking At Metz or any other settlement.

[Marauder]

I found Bern to be very useful when I was England. I had annihilated the French and was working my way south to take out Italy. Marseilles is a poor base since it is usually an underdeveloped city. From Bern you can launch attacks on Milan, Venice, and the rest of Italy. Any faction starting west or north of Italy could use Bern for the same purpose.

[Ratwar]

WHAT? Bern is useful... it enables me to have a place to replace my troops before I end up striking At Metz or any other settlement.

But would your troops need replacing if you hadn't attacked Bern? ;)

(Okay, so maybe I'm just being difficult at this point.)

[Sebastian Seth]

The african one between egypt and carthago... It's kind of middle of everyhing but everything around it is better.