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    Metz
    Lorraine Lothringen
    217 234

    Mainz
    Franconia
    241 249
    Changes in bold. Lorraine should probably be in the German spelling, as it wasn't (to the best of my knowledge) under French sovereignty until the 1700s.

    Franconia (Franken) is a region in Bavaria, so Mainz should probably be in Rheinland - but I'm not sure on this one.

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    Inbhir Nis
    Highlands
    172 323

    Dunbretane
    Strathclyde
    165 312

    Edinburgh
    Lothian
    174 313

    I'm not sure what to change the Highlands to. You could use Moray, Atholl, or Alba. While Alba could imply all of Scotland, it is more appropriate for the Gaelic north, so that is your best option IMO. The other options are really names from smaller geographics areas that don't cover the whole region.
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    I know the natives used pronounce Königsberg as "Königsbarg" in Preußen. However, even then..."officially" it was still Königsberg
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    I can only really make a bid on two:

    Arhus - The oldest form of the towns name is Arosei (ca. 1050) but changes alot as there weren't many people around writing it down. Aars or Arhusa would both do I think.
    Denmark - Well, in medieval times there weren't really a "place" called Denmark. I'd say Jutland here.
    244 296 - Go figure

    Kobenhavn - Called Hafn until 1167 where a source mentions "Portus Mercatorum", Købmænds Hafn, later turning into København or Kobenhavn. I think Kopenhagen is fitting for the later period, and no-one but esoteric historians will connect Hafn with Copenhagen
    Skania - Depends on the map. Zeeland (the island next to present-day sweden) and the south of present-day sweden would be called Skania. If it's only the Island, I'd rename it to Zeeland, or Sjaelland if you want the native spelling. I do not know when the southern part of sweden became known as Skania (Skåne) as opposed to Zeeland, but I imagine it would be in the last part of the period covered, if at all.
    256 288. Yea yea

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    Changes in bold.

    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir
    Kobenhavn
    Sjaelland
    256 288

    (Warberg
    Halland
    259 302)


    Calmar
    Småland
    280 303

    Wisby
    Gotland
    290 308

    Uppsala
    Svealand
    289 327

    Skara
    Västra Götaland
    257 315
    When King Magnus Eriksson bought Skåne in 1332, the land was mentioned as Scania Terrae (Skåneland), and Halland and Blekinge were included in that term. These lands were regarded the eastern half of the Danish kingdom, and no real distinction was made between the three provinces (Warberg didn't become a major town until the late medieval period, by the way). Lund, the seat of the archdiocese, would have been the head locality of Skåne. I think the most accurate way to depict this would be to bunch Halland and Skåne (and Blekinge) together as either Scania Terrae or the more Scandinavian Skåneland.

    Kalmar (spelled with C during the middle ages) was, and is, located in Småland. Linköping, the seat of the diocese, was the main locailty in Östergötland (more accurately Östra Götaland). Likewise, Visby was spelled with a W early on. (Västra Götaland is essentially the same as Västergötland, although the former is an older form of the name.)

    I take it that the game is supposed the start in about 1050, which makes the inclusion of Copenhagen rather dubious, even more so as Stockholm is not included. Neither of them could be called towns by 1050.

    Also, perhaps Sigtuna should replace Uppsala, if the game is to start in 1050. By that year, Sigtuna was the by far largest town in what was to become Sweden, rivalled only by Skara (and Lund in then-Denmark), while Uppsala was little more than a sacrificial shrine to the north. So, if the game is to start in 1050, the map of modern-day Sweden should look something like this (from North to South):

    Sigtuna
    Svealand

    Skara
    Västra Götaland

    Linköping
    Östra Götaland

    Wisby
    Gotland
    Neither of these were much more than villages however, and towns such as Kalmar, Uppsala and Stockholm only appeared during the 12th century.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of the Rose
    Kobenhavn - Called Hafn until 1167 where a source mentions "Portus Mercatorum", Købmænds Hafn, later turning into København or Kobenhavn. I think Kopenhagen is fitting for the later period, and no-one but esoteric historians will connect Hafn with Copenhagen
    Skania - Depends on the map. Zeeland (the island next to present-day sweden) and the south of present-day sweden would be called Skania. If it's only the Island, I'd rename it to Zeeland, or Sjaelland if you want the native spelling. I do not know when the southern part of sweden became known as Skania (Skåne) as opposed to Zeeland, but I imagine it would be in the last part of the period covered, if at all.
    256 288. Yea yea
    You're right in what you say about the name of present day Copenhagen, which would be located on Sjaelland, and not in Scania (Lund was the main town in Scania, as well as the seat of an archdiocese, as mentioned above).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir
    Turku
    Finland
    316 330
    Perhaps Finland should be renamed Egentliga Finland (Proper Finland), as this was the name given to the coastal lands of Finland, controlled by the kings of Sweden, wehereas Finland was a much more vague term, refering to a land controlled and contested by Swedes, Russians, Finns and Sapmi people. As above, Turku didn't exist by 1050 though.

    Beyond Proper Finland lay Tavastland, with Tavastehus as its main locality (again, only later during the middle ages), and further east; Karelen and Ladoga Karelen, where Viborg/Viipuri, Kexholm and Nöteborg all played major parts in the Swedish-Russian conflicts in the area.
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    The fort of the Fergals on the stony river under the domain of the Flahertys of the plain .

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    Default Re: Local historic names of settlements and regions

    Thanks guys for the major update of the HRE and Scandinavian names

    The game starts 1080, but I figure going all the way back to 1050 was justified as names that came into being later (say 1070) may not have been that oft used if that makes any sense - people would still use the older name at times possibly. That of course I cannot back up historically but that is what I was thinking when I said it

    That said, settlement sizes go all the way down to Village (400 inhabitants), so that's how some of the settlements will be starting out as. But of course if you have a better suggestion for places that were of greater importance in the vincinity of a lesser settlement (historically speaking during that period as opposed to now), I would be very willing to include that instead.

    So I am open to suggestions about settlements to take Warberg and Uppsala's places for instance if you will provide them.
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