The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think Tratorix didn't want to reveal the Norse because people would translate it and realize that it meant "Jotun" or something familiar.

Also, don't label people scummy just because they disagree with you on who is scummy. That's just silly.

[TinCow]

Hmmm why would PK reveal to you TC?

He was trying to convince me that Motep was Jotun. His reasoning was based on information in his own role PM. He made a vague reference to this, acknowledging that it was risky to give out information. We went back and forth a few more times and I wasn't getting any bad vibes from him, nor have I throughout this game, so I revealed to him my role PM, sans a few important bits such as my Holmgang score, and he responded with his almost immediately. I would post the whole PM chain, but there is no way for me to remove the confidential info without making it unreadable.

[Tratorix]

a) Tratorix has already proven his knowledge of all things Norse by pointing out supposed fallacies in Motep's PM by saying that kings come from different eras. He could have easily come up with a name and reworded his PM.

b) I don't like the whole Norse stuff at the top he was talking about.

c) I think, from the format and not the content of Motep's PM, we can reasonably assume that it was written by Sigurd. Not the case with Tratorix's.

A) I never said the kings come from different eras. I know next to nothing about "all things Norse"

B) It was Runes, like in the first post. Like I told you.

C) I copy and pasted it from the pm into a quote box, which may have changed the formatting somewhat.

[FactionHeir]

a) Tratorix has already proven his knowledge of all things Norse by pointing out supposed fallacies in Motep's PM by saying that kings come from different eras. He could have easily come up with a name and reworded his PM.

b) I don't like the whole Norse stuff at the top he was talking about.

c) I think, from the format and not the content of Motep's PM, we can reasonably assume that it was written by Sigurd. Not the case with Tratorix's.

How do you explain that Tratorix' PM has the same typo as Motep's? Also note Tratorix did not edit his role PM post at all.

He was trying to convince me that Motep was Jotun. His reasoning was based on information in his own role PM. He made a vague reference to this, acknowledging that it was risky to give out information. We went back and forth a few more times and I wasn't getting any bad vibes from him, nor have I throughout this game, so I revealed to him my role PM, sans a few important bits such as my Holmgang score, and he responded with his almost immediately. I would post the whole PM chain, but there is no way for me to remove the confidential info without making it unreadable.

Meh, he didn't reveal to me

[Andres]

The verdana thingy in Motep's "role pm" is a bit odd. Why not just go to your pm box, hit reply, copy/paste the Sigurd pm and post it here? It is as if you added that in to make it look more genuine.

How exactly did you copy/paste your role pm into the thread, Motep? Explain step by step please.

Tratorix mentioned TwilightBlade, a confirmed innocent, as his champion. I can't believe you guys lynched Tratorix over Motep. All we had to do was wait for TB, a confirmed innocent, to confirm Tratorix' claim ergo Tratorix' claim is very likely to be genuine.

It's very interesting to see how GeneralHankerchief defended Motep and attacked Tratorix, while Tratorix claim was much easier to check on its' correctness by simply waiting for TB to show up...

And why was CR a suspect?

Oh well, it seems like I am about 45 minutes too late...

[Motep]

this game is making me paranoid...

as to andres, I highlighted the pm, copied it, and pasted it into my post. Then I relised I left my Champion in and hastily deleted his name, and evidently the end of the verdana font code.

seriously, why the hell did you vote on CR? What did he do?

[Tratorix]

He was trying to convince me that Motep was Jotun. His reasoning was based on information in his own role PM. He made a vague reference to this, acknowledging that it was risky to give out information. We went back and forth a few more times and I wasn't getting any bad vibes from him, nor have I throughout this game, so I revealed to him my role PM, sans a few important bits such as my Holmgang score, and he responded with his almost immediately. I would post the whole PM chain, but there is no way for me to remove the confidential info without making it unreadable.

He didn't claim lord did he? Everyone seems to be doing that these days.

edit: CR wasn't really a suspect, he was just closest to me in votes, so some people were trying to save me by voting him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

The verdana thingy in Motep's "role pm" is a bit odd. Why not just go to your pm box, hit reply, copy/paste the Sigurd pm and post it here? It is as if you added that in it.

I'm going to break the beautiful "5,000 posts" thingy under my avatar to respond to this, but there's a simple explanation: Sigurd uses the rich text editor. It doesn't translate too well into the normal forum vBulletin mechanics.

[FactionHeir]

I highlighted the pm, copied it, and pasted it into my post. Then I relised I left my Champion in and hastily deleted his name, and evidently the end of the verdana font code.

Highlighting does not get you the font code in the first place...

I'm going to break the beautiful "5,000 posts" thingy under my avatar to respond to this, but there's a simple explanation: Sigurd uses the rich text editor. It doesn't translate too well into the normal forum vBulletin mechanics.

You did not reply to me. Scummy.

[Privateerkev]

Traitorix revealed something to me that makes me believe him.

The town lynched a king people...

[Kagemusha]

a) Tratorix has already proven his knowledge of all things Norse by pointing out supposed fallacies in Motep's PM by saying that kings come from different eras. He could have easily come up with a name and reworded his PM.

b) I don't like the whole Norse stuff at the top he was talking about.

c) I think, from the format and not the content of Motep's PM, we can reasonably assume that it was written by Sigurd. Not the case with Tratorix's.

This the role pm posted by Tratorix:

Eirik Bloodaxe, King of Jorvik (York).

You are the ruler of Jorvik, a carved out kingdom north in England. You are Norwegian by birth and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the rulers of the Norse world to settle a dispute between Harald Bluetooth of Denmark and Haakon Jarl of Norway. You are here to give evidence to the dishonorable union of interests between Denmark and Jomsborg. But you still have a strong feeling about who should rule Norway. It should have been you and not that brat Haakon.

Your survival is important. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.

You have a champion in your retinue. This is Ragnar the Anglo-Saxon, one of your most trusted men.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Remember, the Jotun will be looking for you and will discover that someone took your place.

Your champion is: Twilightblade

Holmgang ability: = 7

And this one is from Motep:

Erik the Victorious, King of Sweden.

You are the ruler of Sweden, and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the rulers of the Norse world to settle a dispute between Harald Bluetooth of Denmark and Haakon Jarl of Norway. You are here to give evidence to the dishonorable union of interests between Denmark and Jomsborg.

Your survival is important. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.

You have a champion in your retinue. This is Þórvaldr Hjaltason of Iceland, one of your most trusted men.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Remember, the Jotun will be looking for you and will discover that someone took your place.

[font=Verdana]Your champion is: [

Holmgang ability: = 7

GH. Are trying to explain to me with serious face that Tratorix, somehow magically was able to get most of the whole sentences of a pm he did not have right, word from word, with only his knowledge of Norse mythology? Please, if someone should be using tribesy smileys, it should be me, while reading your bollocks excuse for defense as Tribesy might say.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It was determined in Midgard I that Sigurd made typos in PMs that were mass-produced. I don't think it's consequential.

[Tratorix]

It was determined in Midgard I that Sigurd made typos in PMs that were mass-produced. I don't think it's consequential.

So your saying my pm is real, but i'm still guilty...

[GeneralHankerchief]

This the role pm posted by Tratorix:




And this one is from Motep:



GH. Are trying to explain to me with serious face that Tratorix, somehow magically was able to get most of the whole sentences of a pm he did not have right, word from word, with only his knowledge of Norse mythology? Please, if someone should be using tribesy smileys, it should be me, while reading your bollocks excuse for defense as Tribesy might say.

It's bollox

And he might have been able to snatch one from a true King, too. I just think Motep's is real.

And nobody's still responded to my post at the top of the page.

[Kagemusha]

It was determined in Midgard I that Sigurd made typos in PMs that were mass-produced. I don't think it's consequential.

Im sorry Jotun, but it seems your game is over.

[Motep]

Highlighting does not get you the font code in the first place...

It does not for you?

[FactionHeir]

I'm definitely convinced of GH's guilt now. And a very major Hand of Suspicion over Motep and disco....

[GeneralHankerchief]

Awesome.

[Privateerkev]

And nobody's still responded to my post at the top of the page.

Tratorix told me what his rune said. Based on what I know about the runes, I believe him. I don't want to post it here because Jotun can then fake it.

Because of various PM's with various people, I also believe TC, disco, and Motep are all innocent.

[TinCow]

And why was CR a suspect?

He wasn't I voted for him first just to get him talking, I had no desire to see him lynched. Then WH voted for him claiming the same reason. Then when this Traitorix and Motep stupidity went down, everyone somehow chose CR as the next closest alternative and piled on. It would be a serious error to think there was ever anything against CR, I was just trying to get him to speak up and then the rest were bandwagons for various reasons, some legit, some less so.

[Tratorix]

People who need to be lynched:

Motep: His role pm is too similar to mine. Don't think it's a coincedence.

GH: Been protecting Motep with some truly ridiculous logic.

[Csargo]

This went crazy over a couple of hours.

[Privateerkev]

People who need to be lynched:

Motep: His role pm is too similar to mine. Don't think it's a coincedence.

GH: Been protecting Motep with some truly ridiculous logic.

Discovery1: Says he's Motep's champion, but hasn't produced a role pm.

I am convinced both Tratorix and Motep are who they say they are.

Thor needs to protect Motep.

[TinCow]

For the record, it looks to me like the reason Motep's reveal had the font info in it is because he accidentally erased the closing part of the FONT command for that line when he was removing the name of his Champion, which apparently he did hastily via an edit.

I really do think that both Motep and Traitorix are probably legit, though it's impossible to be certain. We need to have a good hard look at all of this and do it carefully before we make too many more errors.

[Warmaster Horus]

If he quoted from his role PM, then the font shouldn't have been there. If he'd tried to add it, however, in an attempt to fake the PM, then it would be there.

[Tratorix]

I am convinced both Tratorix and Motep are who they say they are.

Thor needs to protect Motep.

I'll believe Motep when His champion posts his pm.

[Kagemusha]

In that case, all we need to do is that there will be no more challenges, let Motep and GH have a Holmgang. In order for us to be sure, Motep should use his champion to defend himself and then Thor should protect him for the rest of the game if that actually happens.

[Warmaster Horus]

I think it's too late for that Kage, since GH challenged FH.

That said, it doesn't mean we can't have Disco vs Motep.

[Motep]

As I have said, the computer automatically copies the font when I copy from right clicking. It is frustrating when I copy from word, as I get alot of invalid font types for the org, and they take as long to delete as to write.

[Kagemusha]

I think it's too late for that Kage, since GH challenged FH.

That said, it doesn't mean we can't have Disco vs Motep.

I know, but Motep also challenged GH.So its 50% chance that the fight will happen.So no more challenges please.