The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

I know, but Motep also challenged GH.So its 50% chance that the fight will happen.So no more challenges please.

I'm fine with this.

All I want to do is be in a Holmgang anyway.

Plus, Motep gets to level up on me. Keep him alive, dudes.

[Motep]

I can hardly, wait, GH.

[Kagemusha]

I'm fine with this.

All I want to do is be in a Holmgang anyway.

Plus, Motep gets to level up on me. Keep him alive, dudes.

Wouldnt it be that his Champion gets a level up? Unless one does not show up, il guess we just have to hang poor Motep high on Odin´s tree.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think BOTH tratorix and motep are perpetrating false reveals.

Why?

The reveals don't "ring true."

1. Neither addresses the runes issue well -- and they are at the top of all of our PMS.

2. I doubt Sigurd completely redesigned and renumerated his Holmgang system for this game. In Midgard-I, the only players with a holmgang score of "7" were Gods and Jotun, with Odin and the lead Jotun having holmgang scores of "8." Kings had "6's," Jarls had "5's," Champions (each human King and Jarl had one) had "4's", Veterans had "3's," and the few generic thrall/townies had "2's."

My holmgang value is in line with the old matrix. Both tratorix and motep have claimed a score of "7."

#2b EDIT: I also note that my holmgang score on the PM is reported as:

Holmgang ability: #

The "reveals" use a different format than this. Discrepency?

3. How many Varangian guards are there in the leadership of the Norse world? Does everybody save the thralls have this on their sheet....I think not.

How many Norse lands are represented here? We've been told in the OP to look for the Norwegians and Danesand the hired swords from Jomsburg (Pomerania). Later Write-ups by Siggy have mentioned Swea (Sweden) and Jorvik (York). Do we posit that many kings, jarls and champions?


Compare these reveals CAREFULLY to your own, and go back and check Version #1.


Please remember post 459 --491 oops --(Kagemusha) -- its a nice post with both "reveals" laid out.

General Q:

How many Norse lands are represented here? We've been told in the OP to look for the Norwegians and Danesand the hired swords from Jomsburg (Pomerania). Later Write-ups by Siggy have mentioned Swea (Sweden) and Jorvik (York). Do we posit that many kings, jarls and champions?

[GeneralHankerchief]

1. Neither addresses the runes issue well -- and they are at the top of all of our PMS.

Not like I'm going to be taken seriously or anything, but this isn't the case.

[Motep]

Thats just it, I didnt get any runes! I do not know why, maybe Sigurd's oversight, But I did not get one.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, there's a couple of different errors. First of all, the Holmgang matrices Seamus mentions don't match up with their Midgard I values. I think Seamus bears watching. Second of all, the runes thing.

I'd Holmgang him, but I already wasted my challenge.

[FactionHeir]

Why am I a waste if you think I'm guilty

[Kagemusha]

No one should Holmgang anyone at this point.Dont heed the words of the Jotun called GH.Let us see if Motep is what he says he is. It is simple when we can see if he has a champion or not. In best case we get one dead Jotun killed by another, which we can then lynch afterwards.

[Tratorix]

After further review, I believe Motep. Thor should protect one or both of them if he is listening. GH still seems a bit scummy to me , but his mistrust of me makes a bit more sense.

My pm was in the same font as Motep's but since I just copy and pasted it, the font didn't carry over. The verdana thing is something Motep couldn't have copied from the pm I posted, so I believe him.

I don't know why he wouldn't have any runes though, when mine did.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No one should Holmgang anyone at this point.Dont heed the words of the Jotun called GH.Let us see if Motep is what he says he is. It is simple when we can see if he has a champion or not. In best case we get one dead Jotun killed by another, which we can then lynch afterwards.

Dude, if it's me and Motep, in a matter of time I'll be laughing at you all from Valhalla with my busty Valkyrie handmadens waiting on me hand and foot. Maybe while I'm there I'll get Odin to use his godly powers (since we lynched him already, yay us! ) to send a missive from beyond a grave to you all reminding you to listen to me.

[Motep]

Dude, if it's me and Motep, in a matter of time I'll be laughing at you all from Valhalla with my busty Valkyrie handmadens waiting on me hand and foot. Maybe while I'm there I'll get Odin to use his godly powers (since we lynched him already, yay us! ) to send a missive from beyond a grave to you all reminding you to listen to me.

Such spirit!

[Kagemusha]

BLAAH,BLAAHH,BLAH,BLAAH,BLAH.

Soon we shall see hopefully.

[Motep]

Soon we shall see hopefully.

Nice quoting. Worth a decent laugh

[Craterus]

and they are at the top of all of our PMS

I don't have PMS.

I don't like the way Kage is posting either. (Partly because I hate that smiley he keeps using, but mostly because he keeps calling people Jotun based on some very weak cases and he's also very eager to put someone who may well be a king into a Holmgang).

[Privateerkev]

I don't have PMS.

Sorry but after the whirlwind we had a couple hours ago, I really needed that...

[FactionHeir]

I was tempted to post that too earlier but decided against it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kage always acts like this. I think he's innocent.

[Husar]

Well, what we really should do now is have the other kings and jarls tell us whether the ones who already revealed are genuine...

I'm unsure about GH, disco and Motep being the Jotun, doing such a stunt so early would be quite dangerous for them, we'll see about that either way though. And then there is that other question.

TinCow, you say that PK is innocent based on what he told you, now that is very nice of you but who tells us that this helpful information is not just to protect your jotun buddy?

[FactionHeir]

I'm wondering if the best option would be to just have everyone reveal to say TB who we know is innocent (or maybe CA or Tratorix) privately. Those who don't reveal or whose reveals seem to fall short (i.e. we only had a lord PM posted so far, no other PMs, and people can hardly claim someone to be their champion if that one doesn't as well etc) we know are Jotun.

[Motep]

[quote=Husar;1988574]Well, what we really should do now is have the other kings and jarls tell us whether the ones who already revealed are genuine...
[quote]

A very bad Idea, enough lords have already been revealed

And I urge no one to reveal anything! You just dont know who is Jotun, and who is not.

[Husar]

A very bad Idea, enough lords have already been revealed

And I urge no one to reveal anything! You just dont know who is Jotun, and who is not.

Oh man, you really got me there.

[Ferret]

Jesus 18 pages, I can't read all of that...

based on Motep's reveal I'll vote:Motep

Looked like a bad copy of Tratorix's especially the funny alphabet (I dunno what it is) used for the name of the champion, in my PM the names are all in English letters.

And Seamus I can't agree with you not liking them because of the Holmgang score, my PM said that my "role is similar to War Veteran" yet I have a Holmgang score of 5 rather than the 3 you say I should have.

[Tratorix]

Jesus 18 pages, I can't read all of that...

based on Motep's reveal I'll vote:Motep

Looked like a bad copy of Tratorix's especially the funny alphabet (I dunno what it is) used for the name of the champion, in my PM the names are all in English letters.

And Seamus I can't agree with you not liking them because of the Holmgang score, my PM said that my "role is similar to War Veteran" yet I have a Holmgang score of 5 rather than the 3 you say I should have.

You're a few hours late.

[Ferret]

I thought I might be...guess I'll have to read through those pages.

[TinCow]

TinCow, you say that PK is innocent based on what he told you, now that is very nice of you but who tells us that this helpful information is not just to protect your jotun buddy?

I believe the answer in this case is 'you' in the generic sense of the reader. You have to make up your own mind on what to believe based on the evidence presented. Trusting anyone blindly in Mafia is also known as losing.

[FactionHeir]

So anyone going to comment on my idea?

[pevergreen]

1. Neither addresses the runes issue well -- and they are at the top of all of our PMS.

I disagree, I am a generic Townie, and I have no runes whatsoever.

I have asked the host, and it is ok for me to ask everyone here to claim roles to me:

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Do you have a problem with me asking pro towns to pm me who they are? I dont want to become that without your approval, as i know it can be annoying to the hosts.

Your choice if I ask or not.

i am also adding you on msn You should be able to figure out my email address.

I haven't forbidden this.
from the rules:
It is not allowed to reveal your role if you are dead, you can however reveal your role at any time whilst being alive (do so at your own risk).

I have however stated that you can't reveal when dead. Also make a note of the parenthesis.

I have only access to MSN at home ... well if you disregard the HTML version which I don't like.
The desktop is probably on back home. I will have a looksie when I get home later tonight.

Sigurd

What happened to me last night.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Night 2

You find an amulet depicting a hammer on your bedroll.
You put it on and feel somehow stronger. It is as if you have gained immortality.

Your Holmgang ability has been temporarily increased to X for this coming round.

My Role PM:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

HUMAN

Peder "the new"

Greetings player, you have pulled the role of townie out of my hat and you will be hunting Jotun in this game. During the day phase you will participate by voting for a candidate you believe might be Jotun. Use the form described in the opening post in the game thread. During the night phase you can challenge players to a duel. This is also described in the opening post.

Duel score: X

I have deleted one line from my pm, thats all.

I ask people to reveal to me, as I know that a champion was protected by Thor last night, and I would like to put Thor in contact with the Champion and his Lord.

[Ferret]

So anyone going to comment on my idea?

Are we allowed to reveal to dead people via PM? I would have thought that would be against the rules.

edit:scratch that, I support FH's idea

[Privateerkev]

So anyone going to comment on my idea?

I'd want it confirmed by Sigurd about how we could interact with the dead first. But a "townie clearinghouse" could be useful. Beware that in Midgard 1 it was attempted and Stig and Alexander simply sent Seamus fake PM's based on templates Sigurd provided.