The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[Craterus]

I can see problems with that role PM already:

1) Human is written in runes at the top of most other role PMs. Have you changed this?
2) Duels are called Holmgangs in other role PMs.

Can you explain either of these? Or woad&fangs who has claimed a similar role?

[Privateerkev]

Also, FH was Rus and I am pretty sure he was just a simple Townie. If Fenring is Rus, his role PM would have been similar to FH's. Since FH is dead, he can't "reveal." But I would like to hear his opinion on Fenring. A simple "guilty" or "innocent" would suffice.

[woad&fangs]

I think Sigurd's messing with us. GH is was also a war veteran but his role pm is completely different from ours.

[Privateerkev]

I think Sigurd's messing with us.

It's Sigurd's job to mess with us. We should expect it.

But when you've seen a very large number of role PM's, and one basically stands out as totally different in format to the rest, it sets off your alarm.

[Kralizec]

Let's let the other townies decide this for themselves:

Hi Fenring,

I wanted you to know that I have seen your role PM. In fact, I have seen many role PM's in this game. And yours looks nothing like any of ours. This is your PM:

HUMAN - Fenring

Fennir "the ringleader"

Greetings player. You have received the role of [....] and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is [....] and your faction is [...].

Good luck.

Duel score: [...]

There are some major problems with this PM. It is written in a different style. It uses the word "duel" which no other PM does. The section where "king" and "faction" are is in the wrong place. The format is all off. There are no runes on top. The whole PM is obviously a fake.

Now, there are two options as I see it. You are either a God or Jotun. I am a human Champion. I represent a group of Champions and Kings and we have been watching you. We will give you the chance to reveal to me. If you are a God, we will keep your identity quiet and work with you. If you do not reveal to me, I will post your role PM and use it to get you lynched.

Kevin

My response:

It isn't fake. I'm neither a king or a champion; I'm a lowly war veteran. Maybe other people with the same role got runes in their PM but I didn't. Instead of quoting I simply copied and pasted the text, so the [font=verdana] and [indent] tags are missing.

-Fenring

You did not respond afterwards. If anyone is stubborn in refusing to actually discuss it, it's you. At first I thought that maybe you simply decided to parade me as a diversion when things were looking bad for yourself but still decided to give you the benefit of doubt. You're either a Jotun who's seeking scapegoats or you think to highly of your intuition. Considering that you're so eager to criticize other townies I'd say the latter is damning enough in itself.

[FactionHeir]

Well as I said I'm a townie (and revealed to Tratorix already).

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

For full details of my role you'll have to ask Tratorix.

[Andres]

Gah, I died.

My apologies to 'you-know-how-you-are'. I didn't know...

And Fenring is starting to look suspicious...

[Kralizec]

Andres, you always say that.

[woad&fangs]

Kev, I have to ask whether you think I'm a completely incompetent mafioso

I have several days, Motep's king pm, and the Midgard I thread at my disposal and you honestly think I would choose to use the term "duel score" instead of "holmgang" or "holmgang ability".

[Privateerkev]

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

Given the rules constraints that FH is operating under, I would consider what he just said to be pretty damning evidence against Fenring.

If Fenring survives to see the next day phase, he looks like a good lynch candidate.

As for thinking too highly of my intuition, it is actually a collective intuition. Many of us communicate behind the scenes. I then go and say it since I'm already out in the open.

As for being Jotun, consider this. I know the identity of 3 hidden Kings and 1 hidden God. If I was Jotun, at least some of those people would be dead already...

[Andres]

Kev, I have to ask whether you think I'm a completely incompetent mafioso

I have several days, Motep's king pm, and the Midgard I thread at my disposal and you honestly think I would choose to use the term "duel score" instead of "holmgang" or "holmgang ability".

Well, I could claim WIFOM, but that's not necessary.

We are all humans and we all make mistakes... Maybe you were in a hurry when forging the pm or maybe you just didn't pay much attention and used "duel" instead of "holmgang".

I don't exclude that I would make such a mistake when forging a role pm

EDIT: On the other hand, are we sure all pm's include "holmgang" and never "duel" or something similar (like "fight" or "challenge" etc...)?

[Csargo]

W&Fs has been wanting to claim for a while iirc. He's said his role, and done other things, but that pm just looks weird to me...

[Kralizec]

Like I said yesterday: why would I leave out the runes on purpose, when I've gone through considerable effort to forge a PM that matches Sigurd's writing style?
And likewise W&F: why would either of us use "duel" instead of Holmgang? If we were making this up, you'd think we'd be more careful with our language.
Andres is right, everyone can make a slip up. But this is two. Furthermore W&F came out with an almost identical PM for a different faction, wich would be an extremely stupid gamble if the both of us were Jotun.

Well as I said I'm a townie (and revealed to Tratorix already).

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

For full details of my role you'll have to ask Tratorix.

As for this supposed "damning evidence", I've never seen a townie PM myself but I assume that they are different from war veteran PM's
Champions apparently know who their king is. War veterans are a notch down the ladder, and I've only been given an alias with no clue who the king really is. It makes sense that a townie would be told even less.

[Sigurd]

Challenges this round:

1. Motep vs. Privateerkev
2. GeneralHankerchief vs. Privateerkev
3. Sarathos vs. pevergreen
4. Husar vs. Privateerkev
5. Privateerkev vs. Fenring
6. woad&fangs vs. Husar

[Tratorix]

Fenring's pm looks in line with Factionheir's to me, which would make sense if they were both Rus. There are some changes, but they also had different roles, which could explain it, but...

Just don't lynch anyone just becausse their pm says duel instead of Holmgang. I don't think it's too far of a stretch that some of the pm's are written a bit differently.

[FactionHeir]

There's a few subtle differences and the leader/faction thing that differ really. And the wording for some sentences is very different even though its for the same thing.

[Sigurd]

Round 5




Six smoking pyres blew their smoke towards a darkening sky. The sun did go below the horizon this late summer - early autumn, but it never got completely dark.
The men of Jomsborg mourned their comrade. Well, some of them. One man, the one they called woad&fangs, exclaimed that it was no loss to Jomborg that shlin28 died. Having him beside you in battle could not have been safe, considering him losing so easily against that bastard visiting during the night. Some of the others didn’t agree. Husar was among them and had the strongest objections. “How can you say something like that to your brother in arms at his pyre? We … You promised when entering the brotherhood to uphold the Joms. To always support your next man, even if he succumbs to the enemy.
I see a dishonest brother here, which no longer wants to be supportive of the law and ideal of Jomsborg”. The men of Jomsborg rounded on w&f asking him about what he meant by those statements he had made. “I made my stand and shall not yield”. Husar walked within the group making a space in it. “Let’s see if your sword arm is any better than Shlin’s”.
Swords were drawn and w&f made the first move. He cut at Husar’s face and then following the motion towards Husar’s knee. Husar stepped back just in time and the blade missed his face. Husar blocked the knee attack and followed up with a hard left hand fist right into the teeth of w&f. W&f grunted at the sudden stars that appeared on a otherwise empty sky and stepped back, but couldn’t avoid the wounds Husar delivered unto his thigh. W&f got back his bearings and attacked more furiously. He feinted a low cut to Husar’s thigh but at the last instant changed the angle and cut into Husar’s chest. Husar bellowed and it was a serious wound. Husar saw red and threw himself against w&f with the tip of his blade aimed at w&f’s stomach. W&f was about to block it, when Husar twirled and with a slash opened w&f’s throat. W&f dropped to his knees and felt the life force draining between his fingers. The sky darkened and he found himself in complete darkness and barely felt the ground hitting his face.
He was awoken by a sweet voice. “Greetings handsome, I shall take you home to the place of such brave men like you”.


In the Danish camp Proletariat was getting ready to sleep. Prole was a bit thirsty and took a long slurp from the water skin and never saw the smirk of a short man sitting alone on a log nearby. Prole suddenly felt tired and sleep came fast. It was just that this sleep was forever.
Prole was floating in darkness and a felt content. The surrounding was absurdly black and there were nothing there. A prick of light suddenly appeared and prole was drawn to it like a moth to a candle. The light grew bigger and bigger and soon engulfed prole. The new place in the light was bright and colourful. Prole had never seen so intense colours before. In this space prole heard a male voice: "Well, the Baptists are in Room 8, and they think they're the only ones here”.

In the Norwegian camp Craterus had turned in early. The idleness at the camp and not having to row everyday had made him lazy. Out of nowhere appeared a great and dark Hulk who grabbed Craterus by the throat one handed and lifted him up to meet a pair of yellow eyes. “Be afraid little human, you are about to die.” Craterus squirmed in the strong grip and he felt that his windpipe was crushed. The dark hulk grabbed Craterus’ head and twisted. Craterus felt something snap. And he suddenly looked at his back. That was odd. Shouldn’t he have died instantly? A rumbling laughter erupted and Craterus was thrown to the ground. The heavy footsteps of this brute grew fainter and then he was yet again alone. He fumbled at his head and neck with his hands and could feel the mangled throat and neck. He felt the panic building at not being dead from this gruesome damage. He grabbed his head and turned it. He felt the bones in his neck setting and he was again whole as if nothing had befell him just before. Could it have been a bad dream?



Killed: (6)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)

Killed by Holmgang: (4)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)

Lynched: (4)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)

WoG: (3)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)

Living: (19)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Warmaster Horus


Voting ends at 2000 GMT Monday 18th of August (Deadline)

[GeneralHankerchief]

And GH, you don't need to play a lot of large mafia games to do some simple math and figure out that you have ramped up our "townie burn rate" for your own amusement. Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned. But I'm glad you don't mind. I will be more glad though if you actually help us win. I am sorry you find being a simple townie so boring that you feel you need to actually decrease the town's chances of winning, just so you can have a bit of fun.

I and about 10 other people. What are they, runners-up?

[Motep]

I and about 10 other people. What are they, runners-up?

yes, I am disheartened at not winning the position. I worked hard!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[El Diablo]

My appologies for being quiet on this mafia. I came in to check the game and had to read through 25 odd pages and then had to go before I responded.

I did not know there would be this much activity.

Cheers for hosting what looks like an amazing gamer Sigurd Fafnesbane. Loads of detail and a good story line to boot.

ED

[seireikhaan]

So, was Prole a missionary too? Perhaps there's a christian cult amongst us?

[Ferret]

Perhaps...

[Craterus]

vote: Seamus

Busy or just laying low?

[Motep]

sooooooooo....

Do we get a write up?

[Craterus]

Scroll up, it's there. Alternatively, visit the story thread. It's also there.

[Motep]

Scroll up, it's there. Alternatively, visit the story thread. It's also there.

...oh. I see it now. It wasnt there the last time I looked...

[Tratorix]

nvm

[Motep]

I think your dead...

nvm as well

[Sarathos]

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

Well seeming he has been inactive for some long, I had a faint hope that he might re-enter if he was challange. Only after I issued the challange did I realise my mistake that if he is inactive he won't know that I challanged him. :damn:

Though there is the completely hilarious fact that I might lost this honlgang, in which I would die at the hands of a lurker, so my mitake might be short lived.

But in the case that I do win, pever might actually yield some use and there is the possibity that his role could be hinted at or revealed. This also could backfire, is it worth the risk?

[Csargo]

he lived....

(dont take that the wrong way...)

Not happy that someone is proved innocent?