Monglos and Timurids

**yogol** · 07-19-2008, 18:44

Hi, I am playing Egypt on VH/VH and here are some questions...

When the Mongols spawned in northern Russia, they swarmed my citadel in Sarkel and kept on trying to take it. They spend like 40 turns trying to take it, never changing targets.

Eventually they took it, of course (it immediatly rebelled, lol).

Then the Mongols ignored it, ignored my armies around there and went all the way west.

Are their targets always set in stone like this ?

And will it be the same for the Timurids ?

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 07-19-2008, 20:19

I have heard that they move near the border of the map just because they are waiting for other stacks to arrive.

And because there are 3 invasions IIRC then they would just sit near in the province where they spawned in the first place.

But FH might know it better..

**FactionHeir** · 07-19-2008, 20:26

It has to do the default horde parameters are set up. Quite wonky actually and most of the time they don't work at all.
Feel free to try my mod though where I fixed it (original post on how to fix horde factions was by me in the ORG modding wiki forum

)

**yogol** · 07-24-2008, 20:24

Well, they are dead... Apperently they thought is was a good idea to continue trying and trying and trying to take a useless bridge somewhere, guarded with a bunch of Tabardariyya. they just keep on running up to it, die, get broken and run !

But then came the Timurids and they are simply unstoppable, lol : 3 times 5 full stack with super-elephants are simply unstoppable.

**Eikon the Magistrate** · 07-24-2008, 21:38

Is it possible that you can shoo them off by having more troops in the area than they do? Ive had similar exp. when I was defending Antioch I had 5 stacks in the province and they would not engage over the bridge,instead they turned back to Sarkel which they took easily.

A suggestion Yogol for the Timurids is to make small anti-elephant stacks and engage them offensively, no particular need for generals, the point of these small forces is to attack and kill elephants. A Timurid stack minus is elephant escort is not much of a problem.

**yogol** · 07-25-2008, 16:59

Originally Posted by Eikon the Magistrate

A suggestion Yogol for the Timurids is to make small anti-elephant stacks and engage them offensively, no particular need for generals, the point of these small forces is to attack and kill elephants.

Hmmm... With javelins ? Gunners ? Cannons ? I'll see how to do that. I never got this far in the game, I always win my long campaigns before these Timurids show up, but this time I turtled, just to see what they are like, hehe.

I've been training those few camel untis that you can hire around Baghdad, but something tells me those 5 units won't kill alot of elephants, even with their golden stripes, hehe.

**TheLastPrivate** · 07-27-2008, 10:50

Originally Posted by yogol

Hmmm... With javelins ? Gunners ? Cannons ? I'll see how to do that. I never got this far in the game, I always win my long campaigns before these Timurids show up, but this time I turtled, just to see what they are like, hehe.

I've been training those few camel untis that you can hire around Baghdad, but something tells me those 5 units won't kill alot of elephants, even with their golden stripes, hehe.

Siege weapons with flaming ammo + javelin cavalry.

The idea is to have a vanguard unit that draws fire, while javelin cavalry take out elephanzers.

P.S. Run-amok elephants do more dmg to them than your loss of stack..

**TheLastPrivate** · 07-20-2008, 04:10

When the city immediately rebels, they didn't take the city. They pillaged it and left it in anarchy.

**phonicsmonkey** · 07-21-2008, 08:48

ah, the famous Mongol shuffle...

**The New Che Guevara** · 07-22-2008, 12:08

Playing Russia on easy (NOOOOOOOB), refused to take the easterly provinces 'cos i was aware of the mongols coming,

Eventually, they came to me, as I was defending Chernigov (I think, It's the one below Moscow), seiged me for a turn, and then walked off,

mean while, the heir apparent had sent me a mission for regicide, which I did, and then killed the new faction leader, and then tried killing more, but I've lost where the faction leader is now, on all of the armies, I can't find him.

and they haven't taken a single province yet... losers. I'd take them out, but currently, I'm working with the HRE by declaring war on them, asking for a ceasefire, If they'll give me a province, It's actuslly working quite well... I got frankfurt and prague!