OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[OverKnight]

A suggestion:

On the top of my SOT entry, I've recorded in bold the date it has been last modified. This makes it easier for the Megas to scan the entries and see if anyone has updated there SOT and to take into account any changes.

[Rowan]

I might be somewhat inactive during this week. I've come down with a mild flu and my net connection at home is acting up. Hopefully I get both problems sorted out by weekend.

[Ituralde]

Now.. I have only one small thing to say..
What is the point of updating my SOT if things are not done the way I want.



I would like to know why he wasn't moved.
It's niot that big of a deal but still..

I'd also like to point out that moving your avatar is something the Megas can do, but doesn't have to. The SOT is more a list of things the Megas can't do, than a list of things he has to do.

[TinCow]

Yeah I tried out a first form of it in my SoT. Note that the retraining options are only requests by me that don't have to be followed, since the CA doesn't provide for prioritizing retrainings.

Yes it does:

(4) Prioritized Units – No money can be spent on any recruitment until all Prioritized Units have been funded, unless the Senators who Prioritized them agree otherwise. If there are multiple Prioritized Units, and not enough funding for all of them, the Megas Logothetes may choose which to construct first. Senators may specify the Type of Unit to be recruited and the Location for the recruitment. The Type of Unit is restricted to the broad classifications of infantry, foot missiles, and cavalry. Artillery and Mercenaries cannot be Prioritized. A unit may be retrained instead of recruited if the unit is already located in a settlement where it can be retrained in some fashion. Except for the Basileus, the Location is restricted to any settlement owned by the Senator requesting the Prioritization or any settlement owned by a vassal in his feudal chain. The Basileus may specify any settlement in the Empire as the Location.

But with the mess that is the Order right now, what shall I do if I have no answer ?

Do not seize the stack. You can only seize Captain-led stacks and stacks controlled by someone of lower rank than you in your same feudal chain. KoP is not in your feudal chain, so you cannot seize it. KoP's active/inactive status has nothing to do with it at all.

Well, whatever the outcome of the active/inactive argument is, Tristan can still attack from a different direction, use the other army as reinforcements, and does not have to place them under AI control. There is nothing in the rules that prohibits this, if my cursory glance of the rules was comprehensive enough.

Correct, just keep in mind that it's considered bad manners to intentionally get someone else killed during a battle. Intentionally running him into enemy spearmen until he dies will likely result in IC consequences.

I was under the impression you had to have a player's permission to involve their avatar in a battle, but I don't know if that's a rule or just a casual convention.

Not true at all, though rare. There are many situations in which a person would have no ability to avoid involving someone else's avatar in a battle, even if they were in a different stack. The rules only say that you can only fight a battle if your avatar is involved in it; it says nothing about not involving other people. If you don't want your avatar getting in battles, clear out of the war zone.

Now.. I have only one small thing to say..
What is the point of updating my SOT if things are not done the way I want.

To be clear, there is nothing in the rules that REQUIRES the Megas to move your avatar in a specific way. You can give the Megas permission to move you, but permission is a far cry from mandatory instructions. While this case seems to be just that Smowz didn't see your orders, it wouldn't make a difference even if it was intentional because it's not the Megas' job.

[_Tristan_]

Do not seize the stack. You can only seize Captain-led stacks and stacks controlled by someone of lower rank than you in your same feudal chain. KoP is not in your feudal chain, so you cannot seize it. KoP's active/inactive status has nothing to do with it at all.

just keep in mind that it's considered bad manners to intentionally get someone else killed during a battle. Intentionally running him into enemy spearmen until he dies will likely result in IC consequences.

My intent was never to seize the stack but to assume command in KoP's absence in order to resolve the siege situation...

The problem is that KoP' SOT gives power to move his avatar to PrivateerKev only with all that entails...

I've tried to get agreement from Cecil to do what follows but he remains incommunicado though he has read my PMs.

My plan was to have KoP's avatar move away from the siege with all of his infantry and keep his cavalry (with Methodios joining them) to try and provoke a sally from the AI... But that even seems impossible due to KoP's SOT... Even though this could prevent any unwanted avatar's death...
I would even release the remaining cavalry to KoP or Order command once recruitment had been made in Gaza or troops transfered from Egypt.

The statement I quoted earlier from KoP saying he was "leaving the game" (due to "Internet problems" and "holidays" with no duration stated...) creates a situation where the siege is almost completely blocked by an absentee player, with no option to resolve the situation through outside intervention (due to the way the SOT is written)...

And that sucks IMHO...

So my question is : would authorization from Cecil or anybody higher up than KoP in the Order feudal chain be sufficient to implement the plan described above or should I scrap it ?

[pevergreen]

I think TC said that you can simply go in, lay siege and hopefully they sally against you, causing the Order army to be reinforcements, which is legal. The dilema with moving him out of the way remains though.

[_Tristan_]

The thing being that if KoP stack remains in the vicinity there's no chance of a sally (or there would have been one already)... And I'm not too keen on going against the whole garrison with only my BG (one or two cav units would cut it just fine...)

It is frankly damning...

[Ituralde]

Yes it does:

Awesome! Disregard my random rambling then...

[AussieGiant]

Bloody hell that was a hell of a long weekend.

[TinCow]

So my question is : would authorization from Cecil or anybody higher up than KoP in the Order feudal chain be sufficient to implement the plan described above or should I scrap it ?

Under these circumstances, I think anyone above KoP in his feudal chain can authorize your plan. If you can't get any of them to agree to it, then you'll just have to deal with the unfortunate situation. Eventually the siege will end due to a time limit. If the AI sallies at this time, the battle will be autoresolved if no one other than KoP is involved in the battle. If he wins, the usual rules would apply and the current leader of the Order would get the province, but KoP's inactivity would make the whole city somewhat inactive. If you're dead-set on securing a castle settlement for your fledgling House, you could always negotiate with the Order to 'buy' it in exchange for your services or something else they might desire. You could also simply grab your garrisons and declare war, since they don't have much in the way of defenses in the area.

From what I'm reading, we've had an upswing in inactive/dropout players lately. I encourage everyone to recruit anyone they know on this forum or other forums who might enjoy this game. The more the merrier, and a group effort is likely to have better results than spammed advertising by me alone.

[AussieGiant]

Are the rules changed yet?

[GeneralHankerchief]

The CA passed, TC just needs to edit them into the main post. If you're looking for a copy of the CA, just go to OK's History thread and click on "legislation debated" for 1140.

[AussieGiant]

The CA passed, TC just needs to edit them into the main post. If you're looking for a copy of the CA, just go to OK's History thread and click on "legislation debated" for 1140.

Thanks GH.

[AussieGiant]

Only one post in the last 18 hours...this is bizzaro land!!

[_Tristan_]

The calm before the storm...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Only one post in the last 18 hours...this is bizzaro land!!

If it makes you feel better AG, I'm thinking about taking a character after TC comes back.

[AussieGiant]

If it makes you feel better AG, I'm thinking about taking a character after TC comes back.

Thank god you said that GH!!!!

That is excellent news.

[_Tristan_]

When I said the storm was coming...

[Smowz]

You've got me on tenderhooks GH :)

[AussieGiant]

When I said the storm was coming...

So spill your guts Tristan? What is GH up to?

[TinCow]

Are the rules changed yet?

Yeah, as GH said the changes have passed, but I haven't altered the rules yet. I get online once every 1 to 2 days for long enough to check email, read PMs, and read the OOC thread. I haven't even bothered trying to do anything else, so the rest will have to wait until I get home. Too much good food and wine to waste my time on you fellows!

In the meantime, to keep the mood somewhat proper, here's Ceasar's Curia:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm so jealous right now. That's the building where a game and a half's worth of deliberations have been held.

[AussieGiant]

By god TC!! That is impressive.

Get back to that wife of yours and have a great holiday!!

We'll still be here throwing our toy's out of the pram every now and then.

[flyd]

That's the building where a game and a half's worth of deliberations have been held.

You're not trying to imply that number is too low, are you?

[_Tristan_]

So spill your guts Tristan? What is GH up to?

I don't know but seeing how he masterfully played the Patriarch, I expect the greatest things from an avatar that will have a life in game...(and that is without taking into account his part in WotS and KotR)

[AussieGiant]

I don't know but seeing how he masterfully played the Patriarch, I expect the greatest things from an avatar that will have a life in game...(and that is without taking into account his part in WotS and KotR)

He's a devious fiend Tristian. We both know that.

[_Tristan_]

EDIT : I think I may have some seer talent... Just wait and see what is coming our way in game, and you will see I was right to talk about a storm brewing...

[GeneralHankerchief]

EDIT : I think I may have some seer talent... Just wait and see what is coming our way in game, and you will see I was right to talk about a storm brewing...

Crap, now I wish I wasn't at work.

Please be talking about something in-game and not me. I don't want high expectations!

[_Tristan_]

Please be talking about something in-game and not me. I don't want high expectations!

You'll all be soon enlightened by Smowz' report...

Now I'll be off to bed and not a witness when hell breaks loose...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, my next prayer is "please be able to be dealt with IC."