OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Ignoramus]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

[Northnovas]

I don't think we are at the point of beating down the AI and start to beat at each other. There is still a lot of game and civil war would seem premature at this point in the game IMHO.

[OverKnight]

Well, the Casus Belli in this case is, in my opinion, a bit weak for both sides. Plus I'm playing a moderate, which I always seem to do.

Ioannis and Methodios can pursue a Civil War, but at his point it won't consume the entire Empire. The longer the threat remains however, the more likely others will be sucked in.

Edit: If Ioannis really wanted to heat things up, he'd DoW on those insolent and disloyal Senators withholding funds from the Noble and Glorious War Effort.

[pevergreen]

Or attempt to conquer the increasing amount of neutral states that only hold an oath to the empire.

[rossahh]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

See this:

Well, the Casus Belli in this case is, in my opinion, a bit weak for both sides.

This is more a dispute between 2 people. Ioannis is trying to force people to choose sides and make this a bigger event than it needs to be. Most people probably aren't all that keen to risk losing it all over something so small that didn't involve them in the first place.

If Ioannis wanted to see where everyone stood he could allow people to remain neutral. That way he can expose your staunchest supporters and staunchest enemies without alienating the moderates. However Ioannis's statement didn't allow for much wiggle room.

[TinCow]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

I know, I'm very disappointed. There was never a more perfect moment for it as far as I can tell. So many people dislike the Basileus and the vast majority of his 'loyal' followers preferred to stay neutral. If all of the Basileus' opponents had come out at once, he could have been defeated.

Again I really think that game is stuck in an obsolete WOTS/KOTR mentality. People don't realize yet that a Civil War is not a game-ending scenario. These things should be simply more powerful mechanisms for politics. I'm almost positive that this will be realized once someone has the guts to do it the first time, but apparently that first time is a lot harder to achieve than I ever expected.

I guess as long as people are having fun it doesn't make a difference. Just don't expect me do any pumping of the AI at all. I'm not interested in it and it would only serve to focus even more player attention on the computer rather than each other.

[Ignoramus]

Wolfgang has the guts...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Careful what you wish for, guys. Klimis is still young.

[Northnovas]

Just reviewing some post about the mod 1.3. Is the wages in the treasury the confirmation? I did a manual copy and I usually don't have a problem with this but when I look at my wages they are 7500 and the turn advance 7400. Are they suppose to be higher with 1.3?

[TinCow]

Just reviewing some post about the mod 1.3. Is the wages in the treasury the confirmation? I did a manual copy and I usually don't have a problem with this but when I look at my wages they are 7500 and the turn advance 7400. Are they suppose to be higher with 1.3?

In the LOTR-1155-6 save, I show wages as 10700.

[edit] Just read the Magnaura. Ignoramus, you're my hero.

[deguerra]

TC, am I correct in seeing the "new" war against the Order as separate from the one against Methodios?

[TinCow]

Wolfgang has the guts...

You are without a doubt the one person whose desire for civil war has never been in doubt. For all the Illuminati wranglings, I think it was your havoc in Swabia that kept the Cataclysm the most interesting. Perhaps you just need to start spanking some butt in LotR...

Think about it... all those people who failed to heed your call to arms weren't exactly shining examples of loyalty.

[Ramses II CP]

Don't worry, if anyone comes to Egypt in the Emperor's name Vissa will be waiting for them, but IC he has a line to walk that doesn't include weakening the Order by expelling himself over a 'war' which sees the two parties a minimum of 6 turns march apart.

Knowledge which, as far as it isn't obvious IC, I'm sure can be kept OOC.

[Northnovas]

I think my reluctance is location of everyone. I am not happy where I am and everyone seems miles apart. Especially the two foes and the logistics of getting things together is a lot of game turns.
I must admit I am in the mode of game ending then game change for a civil war.

[deguerra]

damn waiting too long to post posts. Not sure it makes sense anymore, with the Basileos' latest scam. You make my life difficult Igno

As to the civil war, I (as in Ioannis) simply see no profit in it for me, and I have always been motivated mainly by profit.