OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

**Cecil XIX** · 08-06-2008, 05:46

Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Hmm... Shouldn't all the Crusaders get the trait called 'Crusader' once they land in Egypt??

This is a good point. I'd leave the specifics up to Tincow, but at least some of the Crusaders should get that line of traits if the game will allow it.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 08-06-2008, 16:05

Originally Posted by Cecil XIX

This is a good point. I'd leave the specifics up to Tincow, but at least some of the Crusaders should get that line of traits if the game will allow it.

Yes it is Tincows decision. I was just thinking that after everything some Crusaders have gone through they will get nothing from it if Alexandria or Cairo are taken before they ever reach there. So if the get the trait *Crusader' then at least they can brag about being a part of a Crusade!

Anyway.. Like to see what TC thinks about that...

**TinCow** · 08-06-2008, 17:26

I will consider it, but I do not guarantee I will implement it. All of you knew from the start what the rewards were and what the risks were. If you don't like getting nothing out of it, there are ways for you to hinder your competitors.

**Privateerkev** · 08-06-2008, 17:32

Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Yes it is Tincows decision. I was just thinking that after everything some Crusaders have gone through they will get nothing from it if Alexandria or Cairo are taken before they ever reach there. So if the get the trait *Crusader' then at least they can brag about being a part of a Crusade!

They can already brag about being part of the Crusade. It will impress some characters but won't impress others. The extra traits won't change that.

I'd be in favor of adding Crusader traits if we talked about it before the Crusade started. Now that it is underway, I don't like the idea of changing things in the middle of it.

Just my 2 cents...

But I do understand the importance of "bragging rights." In KotR, Jan had Crusader traits up the ying-yang and I gave him a big ole chip on his shoulder because of it. So, I say give your character a swagger over being a Crusader if you want to. The rest of the characters will react, or not react, accordingly.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 08-06-2008, 18:55

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

They can already brag about being part of the Crusade. It will impress some characters but won't impress others. The extra traits won't change that.

I'd be in favor of adding Crusader traits if we talked about it before the Crusade started. Now that it is underway, I don't like the idea of changing things in the middle of it.

Just my 2 cents...

But I do understand the importance of "bragging rights." In KotR, Jan had Crusader traits up the ying-yang and I gave him a big ole chip on his shoulder because of it. So, I say give your character a swagger over being a Crusader if you want to. The rest of the characters will react, or not react, accordingly.

Well .. I never thought about that then!

**Privateerkev** · 08-06-2008, 22:14

Originally Posted by OK

The offer for the Guild is still up.

My guess is that is up to the Megas since it costs money. He can certainly ask Cecil his opinion on it. And Cecil can always destroy it if he doesn't want it. But I don't know if Senators can approve of Guilds themselves. No mention of Guilds is in the rules. Not for lack of trying on my part but the issue always died when I brought it up.

**TinCow** · 08-06-2008, 23:40

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

My guess is that is up to the Megas since it costs money. He can certainly ask Cecil his opinion on it. And Cecil can always destroy it if he doesn't want it. But I don't know if Senators can approve of Guilds themselves. No mention of Guilds is in the rules. Not for lack of trying on my part but the issue always died when I brought it up.

You're right on all counts. Control over guilds was always rejected by the majority when it was brought up. Since the rules do not cover it, it is under the Megas' jurisdiction. If Cecil doesn't want the guild but Igno builds it anyway, he can just knock it down. I think that's unlikely to happen, though, given how tight the budget is lately.

**Dafuge** · 08-06-2008, 23:52

I think Cecil needs to replay his turn then, unless he has already contacted Ignormous.

**OverKnight** · 08-06-2008, 22:22

[old man voice]In my day going on Crusade meant you walked 40 years across all of Europe, Anatolia and the Levant. We didn't have any ships, we considered ourselves lucky if we had shoes! Foot ships we called them! And it wasn't a proper Crusade unless you defeated three Jihad armies before you got to where you were going! And it was uphill all the time! Bah! Crusaders today, a bunch of pansies the lot of you![/old man voice]

**Cecil XIX** · 08-06-2008, 22:25

Settle down, old man Otto.

**Privateerkev** · 08-06-2008, 22:29

In my day, you were simply born in the Levant and you were allowed to join a Crusade to the province next door simply because you happened to be around at the time.

**OverKnight** · 08-06-2008, 22:32

[old man voice]And in my day if a Religious Leader go too uppity, putting on airs, ordering people around and such, we didn't ban him from the Diet! No, we drowned him in raw sewage or hacked him to pieces! A good old vetoing, that's what we called it![/old man voice]