OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Smowz]

As always entertaining reading gentlemen.

I have been waiting for the save all evening, however a player has had the save for nearly FOUR hours now and therefore it is getting time for my bed.

I am slightly frustrated for I believe the next time I will be at the computer the turn will surely have passed. I may get up early tomorrow morning.

I give the benefit of the doubt to Knights of Palma who probably has just forgotten to post it or something. I have been racking my brains but I can think of little system better than the one we have in place.

[Privateerkev]

I am slightly frustrated for I believe the next time I will be at the computer the turn will surely have passed. I may get up early tomorrow morning.

If it only involves a movement, let me know where you want to go and I will move you when I take the save back.

If it involves a battle, I will extend the free move period.

[Privateerkev]

Alright, I sent KP an email asking him what is up.

I'm extending the free move period.

I'll take the save back Thursday 4:30PM US CT or 9:30PM GMT.

[OverKnight]

Yes we've gone from high stakes gambling to a debate format, look at what you made me do!

[ULC]

I wonder what we'll do when you go and kick the bucket, draw straws?

[Privateerkev]

I think they should "rochambough" each other for Scopia Cartman style.

[Smowz]

Alright, I sent KP an email asking him what is up.

I'm extending the free move period.

I'll take the save back Thursday 4:30PM US CT or 9:30PM GMT.

Thanks PK, I do wish to fight a battle and I need a little time to make screenies.

I have awoken, and still the save is not returned KP must have an issue.

[OverKnight]

I think they should "rochambough" each other for Scopia Cartman style.

That's up next if the debate doesn't work out. . .

If someone disappeared with the save, shouldn't we just move on with the last complete one?

[TinCow]

If someone disappeared with the save, shouldn't we just move on with the last complete one?

Yes.

[Ramses II CP]

KoP is the guy who had computer trouble a week or two ago also, right? I'd say let's assume he's having those problems again and move on.

[Privateerkev]

Alright, I declare the save to be open. If KP returns with the save, his save will be declared invalid.

Free move period will end Thursday 9:30PM GMT. If people need more time, let me know.

[TinCow]

I'm having a brain fart. Can someone help me figure out when (game year/turn) Pavlos Chrysovergos (Ituralde) achieved the rank of Patrikios?

[Privateerkev]

I'm having a brain fart. Can someone help me figure out when (game year/turn) Pavlos Chrysovergos (Ituralde) achieved the rank of Patrikios?

He gained his third vassal here.

That would start his Antypatos timer. From the various links in the History thread, it seems this started on 1125. (You look at the timestamp of the post and compare it to timestamps of other posts, such as Megas reports, to figure out the year.)

He gained his fourth one here.

In 1132, Pavlos would have met his TIR for Patrikios. He had 4 vassals so he would have been promoted immediately.

Pavlos got his 5th vassal in 1135.

He'll meet his TIR for Duke in 1140. The Caesar might leave the House before then if the Emperor dies but Pavlos can just give land to Motep's avatar.

[TinCow]

Thanks

[Smowz]

Phew, I don't remember these bodyguards being so powerful!!!

They ripped that Jihad army to shreds largely themselves - now I know why you guys are so confident at carving empires of your own with yourselves and 20 horsemen for company.

[Privateerkev]

Phew, I don't remember these bodyguards being so powerful!!!

They ripped that Jihad army to shreds largely themselves - now I know why you guys are so confident at carving empires of your own with yourselves and 20 horsemen for company.

Yeah, the times we have lost avatars has been when there has only been one RBG on the field. You get two or more and there is little you can not accomplish.

[ULC]

Which brings in how I feel about the raw power of the bodyguard. No offense, but it kinda eats away at the game for me when I can take 4 cavalry and defeat an army 6 times that size easily. I like the challenge of battle, and it's starting to feel...missing. I don;t know about you guys but I could do for some slight rebalancing...

[Privateerkev]

Which brings in how I feel about the raw power of the bodyguard. No offense, but it kinda eats away at the game for me when I can take 4 cavalry and defeat an army 6 times that size easily. I like the challenge of battle, and it's starting to feel...missing. I don;t know about you guys but I could do for some slight rebalancing...

I like that there are no limits on RBG's in a stack. Because it requires inter-player cooperation. The AI was always going to be absurdly easy and we knew it.

Also, banding together RBG's helps to minimize the effects of a neglectful Megas. But an army is still needed. And that is for taking and holding large cities.

[ULC]

I'm not talking purely against the AI though, more or less about PvP. The imbalance in my opinion will show up so greatly that it will come down to who was unlucky enough to lose a single man from their RBG unit to random missile fire.

[Privateerkev]

Well there will probably be a massive amount of RBG's on both sides in a PvP.

[TinCow]

Which brings in how I feel about the raw power of the bodyguard. No offense, but it kinda eats away at the game for me when I can take 4 cavalry and defeat an army 6 times that size easily. I like the challenge of battle, and it's starting to feel...missing. I don;t know about you guys but I could do for some slight rebalancing...

RBGs are powerful, but using them is still a major risk because it's your avatar on the line. We've already had 3 deaths in battle in the first 35 game turns. It took over 70 game turns just to get one battle death in KotR and over 100 game turns to get 3 battle deaths. I think it's doing pretty well, all considered. Plus, we concluded at the end of KotR that the real competition was player versus player, not player versus AI. That's why the current rule system allows so much freedom for political maneuvering and civil war. As far as I'm concerned, the AI exists mainly to give the players the resources to fight each other.

[ULC]

If we ever do

PK, what if it's only between 2 avatars? Really, the whole thing comes down to avatars in PvP, not what your troops are or etc. Maybe I'm just missing something or I have been playing LTC to long...

[TinCow]

I'm not talking purely against the AI though, more or less about PvP. The imbalance in my opinion will show up so greatly that it will come down to who was unlucky enough to lose a single man from their RBG unit to random missile fire.

I don't see how it could possibly impact PvP in any way. If the RBGs are of the same base strength on both sides, how can it favor one side more than the other?

[ULC]

Thats the point of it I suppose.

Say we have 2 avatars on each side, both in equal power. If one gets caught in missile fire and loses 1 or 2 men, then that sides chances of wining just shot down considerably. Or, if they both manage to be unscathed and get into combat, it comes down to luck, not skill.

I guess all I am advocating here is skill, not "whack-a-general", to win fights.

[Privateerkev]

IMHO there is not too much skill in PvP.

You both bring a lot of troops. You grind them together. Whoever had more troops will probably win.

Unless you've rigged the battle beforehand or are absurdly lucky, PvP is going to be very dangerous.

[TinCow]

Thats the point of it I suppose.

Say we have 2 avatars on each side, both in equal power. If one gets caught in missile fire and loses 1 or 2 men, then that sides chances of wining just shot down considerably. Or, if they both manage to be unscathed and get into combat, it comes down to luck, not skill.

I guess all I am advocating here is skill, not "whack-a-general", to win fights.

I don't see it the same way at all. If one person gets caught in missile fire and the other doesn't, isn't that due to tactical skill or lack thereof on one side or the other? Also, how exactly do you think it should be resolved if two identical units end up in one-on-one combat? Surely the skill is in avoiding a one-on-one situation in the first place, not just crossing your fingers and hoping you get the winning swipe. I don't quite understand where the lack of skill is in a PvP situation.

[ULC]

I'll withdraw my point then. It was only ever my point of view, nothing more. I am sorry for bringing it up.

[Privateerkev]

I'll withdraw my point then. It was only ever my point of view, nothing more. I am sorry for bringing it up.

Don't let other people's point of view invalidate your own point of view.

[ULC]

Don't let other people's point of view invalidate your own point of view.

Even if my point is invalid? One shouldn't hold onto dillusions's simply because their yours...

[Privateerkev]

Even if my point is invalid? One shouldn't hold onto dillusions's simply because their yours...

Your point of view is your point of view. It exists. It exists regardless of whether others agree with it or whether it has any basis in reality.

I'm not saying hold onto it no matter what. I'm just saying you had every right to put your point out there. Me disagreeing with you does not automatically invalidate your opinion.