OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Rowan]

Overwriting is the proper thing to do. As long as you didn't delete everything in the old version folder you should be fine. It just needs to overwrite a few files in the SS folder and subfolders.

Do you people want to have an executable version of the mod? Now that I have the script ready it's no big deal to make it for the new version.

[TinCow]

I think it would be very nice, particularly for people who join the game in the future. I'm very fond of how you have it set up to make a proper LotR shortcut, instead of just the icon file in the .zip.

[AussieGiant]

Do you people want to have an executable version of the mod? Now that I have the script ready it's no big deal to make it for the new version.

Rowan you big doughnut!!

'Executable', us, up the wazoo please please please.

It's blooody brillant my man.

[Smowz]

As a complete tech 'ignoramus', I would also massively apprieciate an executable as you did with the previous Rowan.

Regarding the war for the princess event, I think it is a really interesting one along with the Assassins event. It really does make one scratch their head as to how is best to react. I am completely intrigued to see what happens in this case. I also think it is a really nice way to force out the issue a little, I feel that is this was to happen in a real life medieval empire a similar situation would snowball.

[Smowz]

Nice Rowan... and a save games folder too Ta.

[Ituralde]

How do I know whether I installed the Mod correctly? I now manually copied the folder and then used the .exe provided by Rowan. I even advanced a turn, but in every case there is a lonely 1 behin the Upkeep of General Bodyguards.


Edit: And while I'm at it, where is the Man of the Hour for Vartholomais coming from, I can't find any report of a battle in the Megas thred. I'm confused...

[Smowz]

Charter Amendment 6.3: A new version of LotRmod will be released which restores the wage cost of family members and recruitable generals restored to normal; it is currently half of normal.

Iterulde, I believe the 'upkeep' of the RBG's will still be one, but the actual wages will be restored to normal.... I think any way.

As far as Varth's man of the hour... not sure I get that from the latest save. I just see the offer for an explorers guild in Nicaea.

[Ituralde]

Ah alright, so I got upkeep and wages mixed up. Still any other way to notice whether I installed it correctly. Just a bit anxious as I don't want to screw up the game.

[TinCow]

The only thing that was changed was wages, and wages are only displayed in the treasury overview screen. I can't remember exactly what the proper number is, but it's something like 9000-10000 in wages with the new version installed properly. With the old version it was about 6000-7000.

[Dafuge]

TinCow, am I done now?

[TinCow]

TinCow, am I done now?

Yes you are.

[Dafuge]

Cool.

[OverKnight]

Good job Rowan.

The shortcut to the saved game folder is a great help.

[Ignoramus]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

[Northnovas]

I don't think we are at the point of beating down the AI and start to beat at each other. There is still a lot of game and civil war would seem premature at this point in the game IMHO.

[OverKnight]

Well, the Casus Belli in this case is, in my opinion, a bit weak for both sides. Plus I'm playing a moderate, which I always seem to do.

Ioannis and Methodios can pursue a Civil War, but at his point it won't consume the entire Empire. The longer the threat remains however, the more likely others will be sucked in.

Edit: If Ioannis really wanted to heat things up, he'd DoW on those insolent and disloyal Senators withholding funds from the Noble and Glorious War Effort.

[pevergreen]

Or attempt to conquer the increasing amount of neutral states that only hold an oath to the empire.

[rossahh]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

See this:

Well, the Casus Belli in this case is, in my opinion, a bit weak for both sides.

This is more a dispute between 2 people. Ioannis is trying to force people to choose sides and make this a bigger event than it needs to be. Most people probably aren't all that keen to risk losing it all over something so small that didn't involve them in the first place.

If Ioannis wanted to see where everyone stood he could allow people to remain neutral. That way he can expose your staunchest supporters and staunchest enemies without alienating the moderates. However Ioannis's statement didn't allow for much wiggle room.

[TinCow]

Is it just me or don't people want a civil war? I'm surprised at how almost all of the characters abhor civil war, when it was commonplace in the Byzantine empire.

I know, I'm very disappointed. There was never a more perfect moment for it as far as I can tell. So many people dislike the Basileus and the vast majority of his 'loyal' followers preferred to stay neutral. If all of the Basileus' opponents had come out at once, he could have been defeated.

Again I really think that game is stuck in an obsolete WOTS/KOTR mentality. People don't realize yet that a Civil War is not a game-ending scenario. These things should be simply more powerful mechanisms for politics. I'm almost positive that this will be realized once someone has the guts to do it the first time, but apparently that first time is a lot harder to achieve than I ever expected.

I guess as long as people are having fun it doesn't make a difference. Just don't expect me do any pumping of the AI at all. I'm not interested in it and it would only serve to focus even more player attention on the computer rather than each other.

[Ignoramus]

Wolfgang has the guts...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Careful what you wish for, guys. Klimis is still young.

[TinCow]

Wolfgang has the guts...

You are without a doubt the one person whose desire for civil war has never been in doubt. For all the Illuminati wranglings, I think it was your havoc in Swabia that kept the Cataclysm the most interesting. Perhaps you just need to start spanking some butt in LotR...

Think about it... all those people who failed to heed your call to arms weren't exactly shining examples of loyalty.

[Northnovas]

Just reviewing some post about the mod 1.3. Is the wages in the treasury the confirmation? I did a manual copy and I usually don't have a problem with this but when I look at my wages they are 7500 and the turn advance 7400. Are they suppose to be higher with 1.3?

[Ramses II CP]

Don't worry, if anyone comes to Egypt in the Emperor's name Vissa will be waiting for them, but IC he has a line to walk that doesn't include weakening the Order by expelling himself over a 'war' which sees the two parties a minimum of 6 turns march apart.

Knowledge which, as far as it isn't obvious IC, I'm sure can be kept OOC.

[Northnovas]

I think my reluctance is location of everyone. I am not happy where I am and everyone seems miles apart. Especially the two foes and the logistics of getting things together is a lot of game turns.
I must admit I am in the mode of game ending then game change for a civil war.

[deguerra]

damn waiting too long to post posts. Not sure it makes sense anymore, with the Basileos' latest scam. You make my life difficult Igno

As to the civil war, I (as in Ioannis) simply see no profit in it for me, and I have always been motivated mainly by profit.

[TinCow]

Just reviewing some post about the mod 1.3. Is the wages in the treasury the confirmation? I did a manual copy and I usually don't have a problem with this but when I look at my wages they are 7500 and the turn advance 7400. Are they suppose to be higher with 1.3?

In the LOTR-1155-6 save, I show wages as 10700.

[edit] Just read the Magnaura. Ignoramus, you're my hero.

[deguerra]

TC, am I correct in seeing the "new" war against the Order as separate from the one against Methodios?

[TinCow]

Yes, it is a separate war, though I'm still going to call the whole affair the War of the Princess for now. WWII counts as one war, even though the European and Pacific theaters were essentially different conflicts.

[OverKnight]

This isn't what I had in mind for Tiv, but it is fun.

No taxation without representation!