A Catholic Case Against Obama

[HoreTore]

Hmmmm.... People from one end of the political spectrum have a problem with a guy from the other side?

I'm shocked!

[ICantSpellDawg]

Since I can't find another abortion thread, this story about fetal viability is amazing.

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A premature baby who was pronounced dead "came back to life" Sunday after five hours in Nahariya Hospital.

The baby girl, who was in a cooler at the hospital, suddenly showed signs of life and was being treated in the premature baby unit.

Doctors estimated that the cooler brought the fetus "back to life."

The mother, 26, from a Western Galilee village, was in the fifth month of her pregnancy when she underwent a series of tests, during which it was discovered that she was suffering from internal bleeding and that the fetus had ceased to show signs of life.

The woman underwent an abortion and the baby, weighing 610 grams, was extracted from her womb without a pulse, hospital officials said.

A senior doctor pronounced the baby dead and she was transferred to the cooler.

Five hours later, the woman's husband came to the hospital to take what he thought was his dead baby girl for burial.

When the baby was taken out of the cooler, she began to breathe. The premature baby was then taken to the intensive care ward, where doctors were attempting to save her life.

[HoreTore]

We should have a "beating a dead horse"-smiley on this forum...

[Lemur]

And let's not forget that these salfsame Catholics have no problem with torture, even though that is also supposed to be a deal-breaker. See, Catholic values trump everything, except when they don't. Why ask for consistency?

"The new shape of conflicts, especially since the terrorist threat unleashed new forms of violence, demands that the international community reaffirm international humanitarian law."

[ICantSpellDawg]

And let's not forget that these salfsame Catholics have no problem with torture, even though that is also supposed to be a deal-breaker. See, Catholic values trump everything, except when they don't. Why ask for consistency?

"The new shape of conflicts, especially since the terrorist threat unleashed new forms of violence, demands that the international community reaffirm international humanitarian law."

Who has no problem with torture? I have a tremendous problem with torture. I have less of a problem with aggressive and taxing questioning when it is necessary.

The article suggests that the pope views humanitarianism as central to Catholic ideology. The Pope is against the war in Iraq.

Which "salfsame" Catholics are you referring to with regard to their opinions on torture? I'm suprised at the incoherence of this post and link from you, Lemur.

[Louis VI the Fat]

If I would believe what Tuff believes, abortion would be an overriding sentiment and I would certainly base my vote on it. Nor would you all ever hear the end of it.

Luckily, I do not believe what he beliefs. What's more, even if I were a devout Catholic, I probably still wouldn't see it the way Tuff does. In America, even the Catholics are puritans. Come on, there are rules, and then there's real life, eh? 'Hypocrisy', as less refined minds call it, is a Catholic invention for a reason.
There's no shortage of Catholic opposition to abortion here - or to gays and etcetera and blahblahblah - but it takes more than being Catholic for that. It is the conservative wing of Catholicism that opposses it. In alliance with conservatives and extreme rightwingers of any kind.

I've made my feelings towards Obama known in the election thread, and I am not keen on entering an abortion debate, so I'll avoid both subjects. I'll throw in though that today, to use a Davism, I had fetuses with pickles for lunch, and I supported a rural, devout Catholic in last year's presidential election. Bayrou. He believes in heaven and hell, and has the Bible as his moral guide. However, he also has a fierce believe in the concept of separation of Church and State. And feels abortion can perfectly well be discussed within that framework. It's possible.

[PanzerJaeger]

And let's not forget that these salfsame Catholics have no problem with torture, even though that is also supposed to be a deal-breaker. See, Catholic values trump everything, except when they don't. Why ask for consistency?

"The new shape of conflicts, especially since the terrorist threat unleashed new forms of violence, demands that the international community reaffirm international humanitarian law."

Umm, the link you provided seems to suggest the Pope does have an issue with torture.

Maybe I misread something...

[drone]

We should have a "beating a dead horse"-smiley on this forum...

[lars573]

These are somewhat more appropriate.

[Banquo's Ghost]

We should have a "beating a dead horse"-smiley on this forum...

Feel free to use.