The Lunar Whale: A Final Fantasy IV Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wow. A LOT has happened since I went to work.

Dang!

I apparently upset a number of people with calling for a shlin lynch. I'll respond to everyone here as best I can:

Ah but you see, its the points 6 and 7 on your list that's worrying me. Why shlin over WH, especially as WH seemed quite a bit scummier as I pointed out?

While there is some suspicion on you (because using the spotlight on yourself seems very unmafia-like, but was nevertheless employed previously), I am more concerned about the others that just jump on the wagon whenever you call it.

@Factionheir:

Well at least you understand my motivations a bit better now.

And you're right, people did more or less jump on the wagon, and I can see how it would be disconcerting. I wanted to coordinate town's strategy as best I could with the limited information I have, and an investigation on Aries coupled with a lynch does not help us. That's a wasted investigation

Why not WH? ... I don't know. In retrospect, it would have been a better choice. I just wanted to give WH a chance to defend himself. I thought Shlin was still online, I guess I wasn't paying attention. He had been contributing I wanted to see how he would react, like Aries did. And since night isn't over yet, we can't confirm that Aries is even innocent yet.

I wish I could do everything at once, but I can't.

Hmm... I'll ask you guys (especially FH) to remember that I've started my last year of High School 3 days ago. I'm going to be busy, and if I lurk, then it won't be my fault.
I've been much less active here than in Starship Exodus (5 posts here, 17 over there; I wouldn't say I lurked there), because there's too much discussion going on. I should have guessed that would happen with ATPG here, but 10 pages for barely 2 nights... TOO MUCH!

Anyhoo, everyone was voting me after 10H35 my time (GMT+2). Folks, I gotta be at the school (which is 20 minutes away from where I live) at 8 am. This means I should wake up 'round 6h45 and to have 8 hours of sleep, I should be in bed at around 10h30.
Guys, when I was being voted for, I was logging out. Checking my PMs, LotR and WotB busied me right before that. I didn't have time even to contest!

So, can someone tell me why I'm under suspicion, other than the fact I've been lurking?
And I've been going through the last couple of pages... I've got one thing to say:

@Warmaster Horus:

I thought something like this was the reason you weren't here. But now that you are back, I agree with FactionHeir's suspicion of you. You're on my most likely list.

Would you please reveal your ability to us? Thank you, sir!

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Re: The Lunar Whale: A Final Fantasy IV Mafia


Now I am really angry, first I am not allowed into the cool club, and now I get bandwagonned when NOBODY even tried to ask me anything? In the first game where I tried to actively help the town, I get lynched just because you 'think' I am guilty. If you, oh I don't know, ASKED me something, and then lynch me, I will be fine. But no, let's lynch him when there is no evidence. (I know its partly my mistake that I did not post that I will be offline, but still...)

In any case, you could have forced me and someone into a tie, thus giving me sometime to reply (if there is an extension period as usual). Just going off and lynching me shows that you want to kill me desperately, a desperate gamble because you found out my role perhaps?

and to ATPG:

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1. Aries claimed to have an ability which could have taken out at least one townie should we have lynched him. I wanted to find out if that was accurate or not.
I can agree with that...yet you didn't even ask me to reveal. (You didn't even reveal yourself, it seems you are just forcing everyone but you and your oh so special group to reveal)

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2. Aries ability, if town, would be a great asset for town. One more spike for the mafioso to impale himself on.
Same as above, and the mafia would not be dumb enough to attack Aries now that he has revealed.

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3. Aries responded and cooperated with the investigation to my satisfaction.
He has been, let's say, very uncooperative before that, and now you trust him (frankly, I think that the transformation from "NO, I'll never reveal my role." to "Oh alright then..." a bit too quick for my taste...). But me, who has been helping since the beginning, is offed...

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4. FactionHeir is usually fairly useful to town, and although you'd make the perfect mafioso, you'd be more valuable to us alive (for now). Especially if I were to die... FactionHeir could easily take over the investigation where I left off. I trust he'd be able to find the killer or at least root them out.
Wow, how would you know FactionHeir can carry out the investigation later? You cannot know his role at all, unless you yourself is a detective, which I doubt. Even worse, I don't think you can organise a town group without mentioning a single teeny tiny bit of what you can do, I mean, if you say you found someone innocent to anyone at all, thats breaking the rules. So is if you tell them you protect him etc etc...

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5. El Diablo was not here to suffer under the intense scrutiny of the investigation, so pressuring him wouldn't reveal anything. But he's still a top suspect.
I wasn't here either.

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6. Warmaster Horus wasn't here either. But, he's next on the list in my book.
I wasn't here either.

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7. I haven't found Shlin particularly useful to town's investigation. We could afford to lose him.
I havn't been useful? I have been posting and trying to find the mafia from the beginning...

If you had bothered to question me at all, I would have happily revealed... but now I can't, so I'll just say you made a big mistake. A BIG MISTAKE (Emphasis on the BIG).

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I hope this helps you understand my motivations. One more night and I'll be ready to present my case to town. Deal with me however you like then. Town cannot die today or tomorrow, you have plenty of time left due to the fact that there appears to be no vigilante, or at least the vigilante might have died, or they are saving the vigilante kill until it's a safe shot.
Frankly, WH and the others are far more suspicous and lynchable, did they help the town like I did? Nope, nada.

and finally... WHY is Aries kept alive? His role is worthless now that he has revealed, as no sane mafia would attack him... so you point about how he is oh so important is not so important after all; amd I would doubt that the host would put in the ability to kill the person who voted him, as that just seems so... serial killer-like, such as the role in Taorimina (or something like that...) who kills everyone who voted for someone.

Phew, rant over . I'm just angry that I didn't get to reveal, get into the townie group and see the town win.

Yes, I don't think the town is going to win, the town is led by a crazy lunatic () who everyone else follows blindly (make your own points! Don't just follow someone...), and that is not the direction this game should go in

and here is my super duper conspiracy theory:

ATPG has publicly announced that there is a townie grand plan in the works. If he really is town, he would try to keep it hidden, and thus, when the mafia least expects it, he springs it on them.

But no, he announced publicly, knowing full well that the mafia would be expecting this super duper plan of his, and thus possibly leading to the potential failure of da plan.

Thus, I propose to you, the honest travellers of this strange ship, that ATPG is pretending to be town and is thus the bravest mafia player I have met and the only one who had pulled off this gamble.

I believe that ATPG is scum Please make your mind up yourself, and let me watch this amazing show.

(Yes I know my ideas are a bit 'far-out', but I'm just suggesting it to you guys...)

@ Shlin:

Big apologies, buddy, if you are indeed innocent. I think Chaotix himself confirmed that you are.

Bottom line is, I wanted to try to get you to react to a sudden death bandwagon, and you weren't there, then the bandwagon succeeded, and you turned out to be innocent.

I am sorry. There is something good in this, we have fewer suspects left, and that narrows down my options as to who is guilty or not.

And before you guys get all antsy in the pantsy, I understand full well that mafia would be similarly excited that there are fewer townies left. So before you all cry "Eureka", I urge you to calm yourselves down, and give me the one extra day that I asked for before you lynch me. I'm closer to cracking this thing than ever before.

If you listen to me, town loses nothing no matter which affiliation I am. I swear I am townie, and important to town. Which means keeping me around is good.

If I were mafia, I volunteered to be lynched before it's too late for town, so how exactly would that be a good move for me? I must be the dumbest scumbag ever if that is the case. I'm asking you to reason it out with me.

If you want, I'll even commit suicide so you don't have to waste a lynch. All I have to do is stop posting, and voting, and Chaotix will take care of me, and you'll never have to hear from me again.

Allow me to repeat, in case you're not getting the gist of what I am saying:

I AM NOT MAFIA, AND I'LL VOLUNTEER TO DIE TO PROVE IT. JUST GIVE ME ONE MORE DAY IS ALL I ASK.

Did that get through to any of you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

However I have previously stated that I think ATPG is leading and blindly at that.

Good sir, if I weren't leading BLINDLY I'd be cheating, or a very ballsy (and stupid) scumbag.

Yes, I am leading blindly, thats the nature of this game. However, there is a strategem in place that will work if you give me my extra day to let it work. Two days would be even better, but I can see some people are getting restless.

[Chaotix]

The Murder:

Here, listen to this while you're reading. Maybe it'll set the mood.

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After a solemn dinner with the surviving nine heroes, Cecil was the only one who did not go back to his room. Overwhelmed with grief at the death of his beloved, he was unsure what he would do now. Zemus would pay for this... all of it. The deaths of so many innocents... the King of Baron... Tellah the Sage, and his daughter, Anna... all the people killed by the Giant of Babil. And now Rosa. Zemus had turned them all against each other. No one trusted those who had been close friends, and it had gotten to a point where the most innocent of all of them was killed. Cecil was sure Zemus' mindslave would strike now. But at who, he could not say for sure. He picked one of his friends, and decided to guard his door while he slept, in the hopes that the dark one would strike there tonight. He would end this madness, and proceed onwards with the rest of the group to the moon, where they would destroy Zemus completely.

Cecil stood in the darkness outside his charge's door for what seemed like hours, wide awake and ready to take on the servant of Zemus. Finally, out of the darkness, a voice spoke: "Oh, look at you, Cecil. Quite the vigilant one, aren't you?"

"You're finally here. Show yourself! I will not permit you to kill the one inside this room!" was Cecil's reply.

A voice, this time from the other direction, uttered a nasty laugh, and then spoke: "Oh, but you must be mistaken, Cecil. We didn't come here for him. We came here for you!"

Cecil barely had time to react before a huge shard of ice was launched in his direction. he just managed to soften the blow with his shield, then he surged forward with his blade. "Oh, too bad, you missed," sounded the voice from behind him. Cecil felt the sharp shock of pain as he was slashed in the back by an unknown blade.

He spun and slashed, his sword colliding with the assailant's weapon. The two engaged in a duel, neither being able to touch the other, until another attack came from behind. Cecil felt himself burning from the inside out as the magic lightning pierced him from behind.

"Damn it," he gasped, "there's two of them. How can I beat them?"

Unlike the ice and lightning, Cecil could easily see the fireball shooting towards him in the darkness. He dodged, and as the flames passed, they lit up the face of the other assassin. Shock came over Cecil's face.

"No... not you..." he sputtered.

"Yes," the figure replied, impaling Cecil with his weapon. "Me."

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The others woke up to find Cecil dead. Who would lead them now? How would they manage to defeat Zemus without the hero of the prophecies?

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Dead:
Elite Ferret- Murdered
shlin28- Lynched
Tiberius of the Drake

Still Alive:
Quintus.JC
Aries777777
FactionHeir
Caius- Survived one Lynch
Warmaster Horus
El Diablo
Askthepizzaguy
glyphz

Let Day 3 Begin.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, town, I have good news and bad news:

I have to do my role reveal before it is officially too late. And with the death of one of my defenders, I only have one shield left before I perish as well.


I am Cid, and my ability is Analyze

My role is (obviously) the investigator. I can reveal both the alignment and the abilities of my targets.

Here's what I have uncovered so far:

Quintus is in fact totally innocent. He has extra lives, just as he said.
Aries is in fact totally innocent. He does in fact have the defensive abilties he said, and so much more.
Elite Ferret was in fact totally innocent. He was one of my defenders, but I did not get to investigate him so I don't know for truth what his other abilities may have been.
I am for truth, totally innocent as well. And like I said, now that I've revealed, you may lynch me. However, I'd love it if the mafioso (there are TWO of them) attempt to kill me themselves.
Shlin was innocent, just as Chaotix said.
Tiberius of the Drake was innocent, else there would not be two saboteurs. Unless Zemus is creating new ones.

I do not know the identity of my other defender, but it doesn't matter. I just need a couple more days and this game is over. Now, you can either choose to believe me or you cannot. I've done my duty. As long as my other defender is still alive, I feel confident in my revelation.

Quintus was telling the truth, especially about his extra life ability. It's going to be difficult to kill him for the mafia, so I advise town not to lynch him. He is a guaranteed delay for mafia to kill the rest of you.

There is no vigilante, so far as I can tell, or else they have been wasting their kill.

I urge town to suspect only those who remain who are on this list, for I am certain (unless Chaotix has been misleading) that the two mafioso are here:

Suspect:

FactionHeir
Caius
Warmaster Horus
El Diablo
glyphz

Innocent:

Aries777777, with defensive abilities
Quintus.JC, with extra lives
ATPG, with investigator abilities.


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Finally, I have to say to town: I am still deliberately misleading mafia somehow. But trust where I am pointing you, and you will succeed.

You have a 2/5 chance of randomly choosing a bad guy, and you have 3 extra lives, an anti-murder townie, and an investigator with a still-alive defender. Good hunting!

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Final note:

I AM the investigator. If anyone else claims to be so, you've got yourself a big fat liar. Double lynch us both to be on the safe side. I, and my already investigated/cleared allies, will all make sure the liar dies with me.

FoS: Glyphz and Warmaster Horus

[El Diablo]

Shlin was innocent, just as Chaotix said.

WHEN - prey tell - did you figure this out?

Can your claims be backed up?

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's innocent because Chaotix said so in the murder scene post.

Guess you weren't paying attention...

Can my claims be backed up? Sure. When the game is over and I am allowed to, I can quote all the PMs. Until then I am bound by the rules and no, I have no proof.

Does ANYONE dispute my claim to be the investigator, and if so, shall we die together?

[glyphz]

Okayyyy... The write-up did unearth a few clues... Good thing Chaotix27 stuck w/ the long write-up...

1)2 of them. From the beginning, it seems.
2)Magic users, both of them
3)Cecil knew them. Meaning likely 'hero, playable' crew in the game. which would liekly mean 8 of 11 roles laid out. I'm not sure about Cid, but he's investigator if noone contests). But we can scratch few out. More proof that Fusoya, and Golbez ain't the saboteur (My sincerest apologies, Quintus)

From these, I'm looking at Palom & Porom the twins as the saboteurS.
Rydia is a black mage/summoner, but if she was found innocent by the 'detective', she's out. I'm not sure if anyone else can use black (elemental) magic, as I haven't played the game, only did a background check.
However, this does not pinpoint who exactly is who.

If I'm correct, now could be a good time to do a mass public reveal, a proper one. I'd do it right now, but
a) if the mass reveal does not happen properly, those who do reveal are left out in the open. The saboteurs can plan out their victims
b) fake role PMs, that the dead, cannot contest.
c) I'm wrong about the saboteurs being Palom and Porom, among other assumptions. Mass public reveals would then be a bad idea


Fusoya, Rydia, Cid (if no one contests ATPG): I believe ain't the saboteurs
So is Edge (Caius), he's a ninja, magic ain't his forte.

FactionHeir
Askthepizzaguy (only if lying)
Warmaster Horus
El Diablo

I'm not there because I'm... and my role ability is... (If any of you FoS me just because of this line, I'll...

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laugh at you. You've been warned . )

Besides If I place myself on my own suspect list that would be plain awkward

:edit2: FOr both mafia to gang on Elite Ferret... If anyone, alive, knows Elite Ferret's abilities as Cecil, do you mind telling us?

[FactionHeir]

Cecil was a doctor type character. He prevents anything from happening to his protectee. Kills and other things.

Quintus seems to be innocent because he didn't do anything last night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Suspect:

FactionHeir
Warmaster Horus
El Diablo
glyphz

Less suspect:

Caius: Ninja, Glyphz' reasoning...

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Dare I suggest that Glyphz still seems guilty to me? But then again I have been really good at picking nothing but townies so far. None of that means anything. It's 50/50 random blind shot if Glyphz is guilty.

Once again, we need to coordinate town's strategy. I do believe that the final 5 suspects need to do a role reveal, including you Glyphz. I still should be able to investigate freely for now, but we're going to lynch my final protector at some point and also there will be murders.

I have to wonder who I should investigate this turn. With two mafia, a 2 versus 2 ending is a mafia victory. Town lynches one (best case), remaining murderer takes out a townie, then the other in the violent end.

2 mafia, 3 town, best case, leads to 1 mafia, 2 town.... and then, it's a very difficult final pick, with a 33% chance of winning.

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We have 3 confirmed town, 1 suspected town, (Caius), and 4 suspected mafioso.

This turn, one of these 4 should die, leaving 3.

One of our confirmed townies will die tonight, (worst case), leaving 2 confirmed town, 1 suspected town, and 3 suspected mafioso.

One of those suspected mafioso will die that night, (hopefully) leaving 2 confirmed town, 1 suspected town, and 2 suspected mafioso.

This gives us the 2 mafia, 3 town ending, and we have our 3 suspected townies. Then we just have to lynch one, and then the other, and hope to gosh almighty that Caius is a good guy.

Does town want to take that gamble? This is a numbers game. Odds are, if we play this strategy, we win. But if Caius is the other saboteur, then we are screwed.

Odds are also against us in that everyone appears to have powerful special abilities, and it is not a clear shot. However, the reason I felt confident in my reveal, is because I still have at least one investigation before my other helper dies, which will give me one more confirmed townie.

Quintus acts like 3 confirmed townies with his extra lives, 4 if you count his final life. And Aries' anti-murder abilities help us as well. So the numbers appear to be in our favor, BUT!

WE NEED TO KNOW EVERYONE ELSE'S ABILITIES!!!

Guys, if you have the ability to protect me, you need to come forward now. The mafia will likely take you out tonight, but it doesn't matter. I need to know that you are a confirmed innocent so that I do not waste my investigation!!!

And every single unconfirmed townie needs to tell the truth about their ability... lying at this point will not help us!

[glyphz]

Cecil was a doctor type character. He prevents anything from happening to his protectee. Kills and other things.

Quintus seems to be innocent because he didn't do anything last night.

That would explain...
the narration, why Cecil was,

outside his charge's door for what seemed like hours, wide awake and ready to take on the servant of Zemus.

and perhaps why,

Elite Ferret was in fact totally innocent. He was one of my defenders, but I did not get to investigate him so I don't know for truth what his other abilities may have been.

So either the saboteurs know about Cecil (why you're still not in the clear for me, FH), or just got lucky.
If that's all there is to Cecil's ability (no percentage to kill attacker), perhaps the saboteurs are playing it safe.
I did not expect a double hit in this game. (then again, everyone had an ability)

[Quintus.JC]

So now we worked out the list of suspects:

FactionHeir
El Diablo
Warmaster Horus
glyphz

Public reveal might be a good option right now, although there are of course people discontent with that and if all 4 decide against it then that option fails. Well, no matter what I'll live long enough to see the end... for now though:

Vote: Factionheir

[FactionHeir]

I'd rather not reveal more than I have in my previous few posts to allow some tactical maneuvering. What I have said should be sufficient in proving my innocence.

I suggest that we lynch WH as decided this turn and the remaining protector protect ATPG. ATPG should then investigate glyphz while I work my magic on El Diablo.

[edit]
Looking back at ATPG's reveal, something that strikes me is that no new information is given in it. While no one else is claiming Cid (and he could just be Cid), I am rather puzzled why he investigated QJC and Aries who already revealed. In a way, it may tie him with Aries. So either ATPG is playing with us or he wasted a few investigations.

[Quintus.JC]

Unvote: FactionHeir

I don't really have any preference, any 4 of the suspects would do. Its all a matter of convincing.

[Warmaster Horus]

Well, from what I remember of FFIV, saying who I am is a bad move (that said, I played FFIV around 8 years ago, so my memory of it is probably completely wrong...)

But, as a leap of faith, I am Kain. My ability is to not die if targeted during day or night, once during the game.
I'll wait a bit more before voting.

[FactionHeir]

Considering Quintus doesn't have any other specials other than 3 lives, and you only have 1. What is your other ability WH?

[Warmaster Horus]

That's it. I've only got one.

I can "jump" out of sight once during the game, which makes me invulnerable during the next day/night phase.

[FactionHeir]

I dunno, but this doesn't make much sense to me that QJC and Caius' roles would both be more powerful than yours in the same way and you don't have any other ability.

[Warmaster Horus]

Just checked Wikipedia (veeery quickly). If I got it right, Kain was wounded during the game's story because of his link to Zemus, no? Might be a reason.

Why would I lie (other than the fact that I would be mafia)? If you're not happy with my answer, then ask Chaotix after the game.

[glyphz]

I dunno, but this doesn't make much sense to me that QJC and Caius' roles would both be more powerful than yours in the same way and you don't have any other ability.

Wait. Are we sure Caius' ability can survive multiple attacks? I don't remember him revealing, publicly at least. All I know about him is that on the Rnd 1 write-up, he's Edge and he survived the lynch.
If WH is indeed Kain, I can see his ability reflects Kain's specialty as a Dragoon, Jump.

WH - claims to be Kain
FH - so far not eager to reveal
El Diablo - awaiting to login

Cecil - EF
Kain - claimed by WH
Rosa - shlin28
Rydia - Aries7s
Edge - Caius
Yang - Left out
Edward -
Cid - ATPG
Palom -
Porom -
FuSoYa - Quintus.JC
Golbez -

Unknown - (T. Drake, glyphz, FH, El Diablo)
Yours truly - claims not to be Palom or Porom (that should give you guys an idea.)
I awaits 1 more reveal, but will reveal at a certain hour if no one responds (can someone tell
me when is the deadline, this time?)

:edit: But...
I bet, if I'm correct about the twins, T. Drake is one of the 2 'unknown' guys... w/c means
FoS: FH and El Diablo
I don't think there's a need to wait for 1 of them to reveal.
That said, my reveal coming right up

[FactionHeir]

So tell us your name glyphz, if you are claiming not to be of the twins.

[Thermal]

vote: Faction heir
a reveal would likely change my mind

[glyphz]

I am Golbez, the Dark Knight.
My role: Vigilante.
Alignment: Pro-town
Ability: Ability to attempt to kill someone, hoping it's the one under Zemus' control. (25% chance of getting killed)
Past targets: No one.

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Call me passive or incompetent, but the reasons I have not done anything:
Rnd 1
a) decided not to use my vigilante role, when no one has yet to be killed
c) picked Caius, at the very start, his lynch result made me cancel that order.
c) prepared to test this out on Quintus but,chose to let the town decide his fate

Rnd 2
a) w/ only a WOG, no clues on the write-up, decided against picking a random target
*small mafia game, only 11 players, not killing, until certain, would maximize town's chances.

Rnd 3
a) w/ Cecil's death, and write-up clues, I plan to target one of the assumed twins. (I'll entertain any disagreements)

So... what say you?

[Warmaster Horus]

I didn't realize FH hadn't revealed yet.

Do it. Now.

[FactionHeir]

Satisfactory.
I am Edward.

[Warmaster Horus]

And? Abilities, or such?

If you've said it already, sorry...

[Thermal]

And? Abilities, or such?

If you've said it already, sorry...

no he hasnt, we were expecting...more should i say, not wanting to reveal infomation is suspicious in itself

[FactionHeir]

Nice try Aries, but I did give a glimpse of my abilities in the information I posted. The rest will be found out by the culprit tonight.

[Thermal]

Nice try Aries, but I did give a glimpse of my abilities in the information I posted. The rest will be found out by the culprit tonight.

ummm...no i genuinely dont no what your going on about but if you've already given a 'glimpse' then it wouldnt be hard to give another, vote stands

[glyphz]

If no one is lying about their roles, that leaves El Diablo, who has yet to login, as one of the twins.
I find it hard to believe, that Tiberius, who was WoG-ed easily, could be the other twin.

I'll have to stick w/ my gut for now, thus
Vote: El Diablo

[FactionHeir]

Of course its entirely possible that not both the twins are affected and that either WH or Aries is the other Zemus zombie.

I would imagine if both Caius and QJC are town (QJC for sure at least), then the mafia must also have some extra lives to compete. WH's claim would thus make him a perfect mafioso with one extra life.

I'm still thinking though.