Pakistani troops involved in skirmish with US troops

[Strike For The South]

Nuke The whole reigon, then we will have no more problems, but to logical for people....

This, ladies and gentleman, is a breakthrough in geopolitical thought! For to many years we have been shackled with problems of the world when the answer has been staring us in the face the whole time. Nuclear weapons the solution to all your petty disagreements.

Sith have you considered running for public office? Your exactly what this country needs a headstrong leader who follows his gut that'll show those people over there. Who are they all high and mighty with there oil walking around in there damn pajamas all day. The Heathens.

[Fragony]

I am with JAG. Pakistani's borders should be respected.

[CrossLOPER]

NUKE THE WORLD. NO PROBLEMS. EVER AGAIN.

[Vladimir]

I am with JAG. Pakistani's borders should be respected.

Looks like I’m going to get the jump on Tribesy here. There is no officially recognized border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. (I believe) The official position of Afghanistan is that the border (drawn by the British over 100 years ago) needs to be redefined as it was to last for only 100 years. Much like the Hong Kong lease agreement.

[Fragony]

That place is beardistan the pakistan government has no power there but it's still theirs. Entering someone's border I wouldn't really call redefining, and it only weakens the power of that very government you need.

[Kadagar_AV]

I will point americans who don't get why Europeans dislike them to this thread.

As a sidenote, I have had family dying in Afghanistan. NO I am not american, I am Swedish, so was the trooper.

You see, USA long ago gave up on that war, and left other countries to do their dirty job of cleaning up.

So, contrary to, well, 90% of the other posters in this therad, I am up to date with what happens there...

And no, NUKES is not the solution.

I do think the world would be a better place if someone nuked USA, would get some sence of vulnerability back, and, would make them understand what nukes does to people, for generations.

*sigh*

I got very sad when I read this thread.

Also, it creeps me out that the ONLY country ever to have used such a malign weapon as nukes, is the one claiming the morale highground, while their teenage (I hope you are teenage) citizens are screaming for more nukes...

Scary...

[ICantSpellDawg]

I will point americans who don't get why Europeans dislike them to this thread.

As a sidenote, I have had family dying in Afghanistan. NO I am not american, I am Swedish, so was the trooper.

You see, USA long ago gave up on that war, and left other countries to do their dirty job of cleaning up.

So, contrary to, well, 90% of the other posters in this therad, I am up to date with what happens there...

And no, NUKES is not the solution.

I do think the world would be a better place if someone nuked USA, would get some sence of vulnerability back, and, would make them understand what nukes does to people, for generations.

*sigh*

I got very sad when I read this thread.

Also, it creeps me out that the ONLY country ever to have used such a malign weapon as nukes, is the one claiming the morale highground, while their teenage (I hope you are teenage) citizens are screaming for more nukes...

Scary...

Point A - That the United States has given up in Afghanistan as of 9/15/2008: CRAZY

Point B - The world would be a better place if someone were to Nuke the United States: CRAZY

But other than that you sound pretty up to date...

[Vladimir]

Frag,

The issue here is that people saying the US is crossing the border with Pakistan. We're not redefining the border, there isn't one. It's not just that there is no control of the region.

And no, NUKES is not the solution.

I do think the world would be a better place if someone nuked USA, would get some sence of vulnerability back, and, would make them understand what nukes does to people, for generations.

Yes. Nukes aren't the solution in less it is your solution.

[Kadagar_AV]

I am not saying I am for it, i am against people getting killed and wounded in any and all ways.

I am however saying I think that would stop the happy attitude some US citizens has towards nukes... And maybe they would start seeing the world in a different way.

I mean... name one country, other than the US, that has not gone 10 years without waring? And this is the country talking about morale highground and mission from god?

[drone]

I am not saying I am for it, i am against people getting killed and wounded in any and all ways.

I am however saying I think that would stop the happy attitude some US citizens has towards nukes... And maybe they would start seeing the world in a different way.

I mean... name one country, other than the US, that has not gone 10 years without waring? And this is the country talking about morale highground and mission from god?

The talking points of the current administration do not necessarily reflect that of the majority of the populace.

But you are sadly mistaken if you think a nuclear explosion in the US would have your desired effect. 9/11 made us "feel vulnerable", but look at the response. Pity the country with a reactor that matches the radioactive signature of the material. Whoever is in charge after an attack would respond in kind, vengeance would be demanded by the populace. Sad to say, there would be no period of reflection, the country as a whole is not wired that way. Fear plus power is not a good combination.

[yesdachi]

I am not saying I am for it, i am against people getting killed and wounded in any and all ways.

and yet you just said...

I do think the world would be a better place if someone nuked USA

Elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top anymore does it?


As to the topic, a boarder is a boarder and out of policy we need to get permission to cross. If that permission is given thanks to coercion then so be it, there are things that Pakistan wants that I am sure the US has to negotiate with.

[CountArach]

This, ladies and gentleman, is a breakthrough in geopolitical thought! For to many years we have been shackled with problems of the world when the answer has been staring us in the face the whole time. Nuclear weapons the solution to all your petty disagreements.

Sith have you considered running for public office? Your exactly what this country needs a headstrong leader who follows his gut that'll show those people over there. Who are they all high and mighty with there oil walking around in there damn pajamas all day. The Heathens.

OMG Strike! I literally loled that that

Bravo!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

This, ladies and gentleman, is a breakthrough in geopolitical thought! For to many years we have been shackled with problems of the world when the answer has been staring us in the face the whole time. Nuclear weapons the solution to all your petty disagreements.

Sith have you considered running for public office? Your exactly what this country needs a headstrong leader who follows his gut that'll show those people over there. Who are they all high and mighty with there oil walking around in there damn pajamas all day. The Heathens.

Yes I have! Warman8 and Mr.Peanut for US Preisdent in 2008!

I will point americans who don't get why Europeans dislike them to this thread.

As a sidenote, I have had family dying in Afghanistan. NO I am not american, I am Swedish, so was the trooper.

You see, USA long ago gave up on that war, and left other countries to do their dirty job of cleaning up.

So, contrary to, well, 90% of the other posters in this therad, I am up to date with what happens there...

And no, NUKES is not the solution.

I do think the world would be a better place if someone nuked USA, would get some sence of vulnerability back, and, would make them understand what nukes does to people, for generations.

*sigh*

I got very sad when I read this thread.

Also, it creeps me out that the ONLY country ever to have used such a malign weapon as nukes, is the one claiming the morale highground, while their teenage (I hope you are teenage) citizens are screaming for more nukes...

Scary...

How has the US given up on Afghanistan? And Besides, I don't think Europe should talk since they can't take care of Russia (go figure)....


Your Sweds Sure are funny! Remeber How bad these people beat you :


https://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?...hussar8nz2.jpg



( Dad side of the family is Polish)





Maybe We should Nuke Sweden Instead? They seem to not be able losing to Poland in the 1600's quite a bit....





Yes, I am 16, but I still have a brain. How well you thinking I don't know chief, but I'm thinking quite clear. If you just nuke the Middle East....

Oh Wait, I'm just a dumb American Kid that needs to be nuke, forget it

[yesdachi]

Oh Wait, I'm just a dumb American Kid that needs to be nuke, forget it

Don’t worry, Kadager wont nuke you he just won’t feel bad if someone else nukes you.

[KarlXII]

How has the US given up on Afghanistan? And Besides, I don't think Europe should talk since they can't take care of Russia (go figure)....

Europe needs to take care of Russia?

Your Sweds Sure are funny! Remeber How bad these people beat you :


https://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?...hussar8nz2.jpg

Depends on what you're talking about, seeing as the Swedes have defeated the Polish quite a number of times. Russia was what broke the Empire, as it later did to Poland .

Maybe We should Nuke Sweden Instead? They seem to not be able losing to Poland in the 1600's quite a bit....

Make that Poland-Lithuania. Besides, if the nuking of Sweden is justified through wars fought back 400 years ago, you may also want to nuke Poland, England, Spain, France, Russia, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Holland, Belgium, to name a few countries that have lost wars in the past 400 years.....

It's funny, at least to me, that Sweden still remained sovereign after it's many wars, even after losing to Russia, yet Poland....well....must I go on?

Yes, I am 16, but I still have a brain. How well you thinking I don't know chief, but I'm thinking quite clear. If you just nuke the Middle East....

You'll A. Turn the place into glass B. Kill a lot of people (apparently you could care less anyway) and C. Probabaly turn to cannibalism after comitting such barbarity.

Makes me glad you're only 16.

Oh Wait, I'm just a dumb American Kid that needs to be nuke, forget it

Apparently you're the one who wants to do all the nuking......

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Europe needs to take care of Russia?




Depends on what you're talking about, seeing as the Swedes have defeated the Polish quite a number of times. Russia was what broke the Empire, as it later did to Poland .



Make that Poland-Lithuania. Besides, if the nuking of Sweden is justified through wars fought back 400 years ago, you may also want to nuke Poland, England, Spain, France, Russia, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Holland, Belgium, to name a few countries that have lost wars in the past 400 years.....

It's funny, at least to me, that Sweden still remained sovereign after it's many wars, even after losing to Russia, yet Poland....well....must I go on?



You'll A. Turn the place into glass B. Kill a lot of people (apparently you could care less anyway) and C. Probabaly turn to cannibalism after comitting such barbarity.

Makes me glad you're only 16.



Apparently you're the one who wants to do all the nuking......

You forget to add Sweden to the country that losts wars in the past 400 years that needs to be nuke. Must have bad memory


Doesn't matter. Poland also did quite of bit of winning/work during their heyday, including beating Sweden. Plus, I didn't see Sweden At Vienna 1683. . We did the work then, not Sweden. (lets contiune this in Montasy shall we?)




I have no regret about my nuking comments. If A lot of people die, so be it. They have no problem killing innocent people, so, just return the favour.


You happy I'm only 16? Yes, and you can't admit my logical decison is the way to go. Typical Responce of a Liberal 30 something year old from Europe.

And What is this about France opening up to a lot of Muslims? I guess the French are still upset France isn't the superpower it once was, so it's letting in Muslims to try to boast it's name again.



And Besides, Sweden is by Russia, try looking at a map sometime. I think your country has some problems to worry about other then some American Kid.

f the work is counter productive then it would be best if you didn't bother . Just about every single thing the US military planners said not to do in Afghanistan unless you want to turn it into a waste of time the administration has gone ahead and done .
You have an absolute bunch of muppets calling the shots and while I understand that your military is sort of obliged to follow its comander in chief I can't believe so many european nations bothered making any contribution at all .
When their initial offers after 9/11 were turned down because America thought it could do Afghanistan by itself they should never have stepped in when America made a complete balls of it in a very short time .

Doesn't Matter. Europe doesn't do anything. Look at WWII, Britian and the Rest of them just sat back and enjoyed Mr.Hitler's show.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Doesn't Matter. Europe doesn't do anything. Look at WWII, Britian and the Rest of them just sat back and enjoyed Mr.Hitler's show.

Jim Hacker: Napoleon Prize?
Bill (Foreign Secretary): Yes, it's a NATO award given once every five years, big ceremony in Brussels, gold medal, £100 000. The PM's the front runner this time, it's for the statesman who's made the biggest contribution to European unity.
Sir Humphrey: Since Napoleon, that is if you don't count Hitler.

[KarlXII]

You forget to add Sweden to the country that losts wars in the past 400 years that needs to be nuke. Must have bad memory

I included other countries with Sweden. Maybe you could read it again.

Doesn't matter. Poland also did quite of bit of winning/work during their heyday, including beating Sweden. Plus, I didn't see Sweden At Vienna 1683. . We did the work then, not Sweden. (lets contiune this in Montasy shall we?)

So? You fought the Ottomans in 1683, the Swedes had their own country to worry about. I'll gladly take it to the Monastery if you wish to continue bringing up the Miracle of Vienna (I guess that;s what you'd call it, seeig as it's been the only Polish miracle in the last 400 years, but I digress.)

I have no regret about my nuking comments. If A lot of people die, so be it. They have no problem killing innocent people, so, just return the favour.

You really are twisted, aren't you? You believe, to defeat those who bomb civilian targets, we mus tbomb civilians in return? Are you kidding me?

You happy I'm only 16? Yes, and you can't admit my logical decison is the way to go. Typical Responce of a Liberal 30 something year old from Europe.

Your logical decision? How is it logical to nuke civilians?

Oh, and A. I'm American-Swedish
B. I consider myself fairly Independant on the political scale.
C. I'm not 30

And What is this about France opening up to a lot of Muslims? I guess the French are still upset France isn't the superpower it once was, so it's letting in Muslims to try to boast it's name again.

How does that work? You're somehow a superpower with Muslims?

And Besides, Sweden is by Russia, try looking at a map sometime. I think your country has some problems to worry about other then some American Kid.

Glad you care, but I doubt Russia wants anything to do with Sweden.

I do worry about you, the 16 year old who advocates the intentional nuking of civilians.

Doesn't Matter. Europe doesn't do anything. Look at WWII, Britian and the Rest of them just sat back and enjoyed Mr.Hitler's show.

Battle of France- BEF, Dunkirk
Battle of Britain- RAF vs Luftwaffe
Battle of the Atlantic- Convoys
North African Campaign- Cyrenia campaign, El Alamein, Libya, Tunisia
Italian Campaign- Sicily, Monte Cassino etc.
Western Front- Gold/Sword Beach, Caen

I guess you should be glad you don't live in Coventry. I suggest you put down the penis measuring device and pick up a few books.

[Sarmatian]

Doesn't matter. Poland also did quite of bit of winning/work during their heyday, including beating Sweden. Plus, I didn't see Sweden At Vienna 1683. . We did the work then, not Sweden. (lets contiune this in Montasy shall we?)

Fascinating, I've thought all eyewitnesses of the Siege of Vienna were long dead. Who did you see at Vienna in 1683?

On a related note, why do people give all credit to Poland for the battle of Vienna? What about Austrians? It's not like they ran off and let the Poles fight Ottomans. It reminds me of a joke when 3 guys want to cross the border without passports and the police officer tells them he'll only let them cross if together their penises are longer than 50cm. First guy takes it out - 22cm, second guy - 26cm. They all look at the third and last guy - 3cm. All together 51cm. On the other side of the border the third guy turns to the other two and says: "You two should thank me, we wouldn't have made if I didn't have an erection".

[Strike For The South]

You forget to add Sweden to the country that losts wars in the past 400 years that needs to be nuke. Must have bad memory


Doesn't matter. Poland also did quite of bit of winning/work during their heyday, including beating Sweden. Plus, I didn't see Sweden At Vienna 1683. . We did the work then, not Sweden. (lets contiune this in Montasy shall we?)




I have no regret about my nuking comments. If A lot of people die, so be it. They have no problem killing innocent people, so, just return the favour.


You happy I'm only 16? Yes, and you can't admit my logical decison is the way to go. Typical Responce of a Liberal 30 something year old from Europe.

And What is this about France opening up to a lot of Muslims? I guess the French are still upset France isn't the superpower it once was, so it's letting in Muslims to try to boast it's name again.



And Besides, Sweden is by Russia, try looking at a map sometime. I think your country has some problems to worry about other then some American Kid.








Doesn't Matter. Europe doesn't do anything. Look at WWII, Britian and the Rest of them just sat back and enjoyed Mr.Hitler's show.

I find it utterly deplorable you take pride in Polish achievement. You are an American.

[Lord Winter]

I'm tired of hearing about Polish nationalism. I don't care how much you twist history to make the poles to look like gods but they weren't. They where human, they lost, they argued they bickered, yes they also won but they have flaws like everyone else back then. Isn't the first world war enough of an example to what happens with blind nationalism.

As for the bombings of civillians, are you crazy? Is it worth saving 10,000 people defined only by where they live if we must kill 100 million? Honestly patriotism is useless is we lose our humanity.

Doesn't Matter. Europe doesn't do anything. Look at WWII, Britian and the Rest of them just sat back and enjoyed Mr.Hitler's show.

More revisionist history Britian was doing what they could they were under a lot of preasure. Besides Russia won the war not the U.S. efforts.

[CountArach]

I'm tired of hearing about Polish nationalism. I don't care how much you twist history to make the poles to look like gods but they weren't. They where human, they lost, they argued they bickered, yes they also won but they have flaws like everyone else back then. Isn't the first world war enough of an example to what happens with blind nationalism.

How dare you!?!?!

POLAND FOREVER!