However what grates me more is the fact that property taxes - which is the primary base of income for cities and even some states is adjust to help corporations more then private property owners. All done in the name of intincing business into the area. Or the fact that sports groups get bonds and benefits out of the public coffers to keep them in the town. Last I hear the NFL is full of corporate or private owners.

So go into more detail, but then the scale of payments by the rich far exceeds the payments of others, so to claim that they should pay more seems a little weak on the surface when one only talks in generalities.
Well it comes down to no matter what you do aren't you just pushing the beans around on the table? Companies ALREADY complain about business tax being too high. So, you cut property tax and replace it with business taxes, and businesses say they will take their marbles and go home, or open in other countries. You leave business taxes the same and cut property taxes, and schools close left and right. The fact is that we need taxes, no one likes to be the one paying them, and everyone thinks their end of the tax burden isn't fair. Whenever I see anything right of center talking abou tax reform, it always ultimately comes down to vastly decreasing taxes and not replacing them with anything else, or replacing them with things that will hit only lower classes and won't generate as much revenue anyway. And while the idea of "cut spending!" is very populist and appealing, there is simply no way to make any of the tax systems I've seen proposed by wealthy people and the ideological right work, without cutting things that people don't think of as wasteful spending, such as education and social security and police and fire. There are things we can cut yes but, as with McCain's tax policies, what we can cut without really sabotaging ourselves never adds up to as much as rich people want to cut in taxes.

I didn't say the rich should pay more than they do now, but I do think thare are a gazillion loopholes and ways to minimize tax liability that are not options for lower income people. I think that if we closed a lot of these loopholes we would suddenly find ourselves dealing with a surplus again. Because I do not think it is a wily minority of the very wealthy finding tax loopholes. I think it's the stubborn or unwise minority of wealthy who are not using them. And I do think that everthing from white collar crime penalties vs. blue collar crime penalties, to conviction rates, to lobbying power in government, to influence in local government (such as the Malibu homeowners getting together and shoving through a law so that the state of California has to cover their homes with taxmoney when they burn down every so often, since insurance companies aren't stupid enough to cover them affordably) to reaping the "end reward fruit" of what tax dollars pay for, all benefit the wealthy. (For example, no personal liability on the wealthy when the corporations they own default on pension plans, yet those same wealthy people still don't believe the cap on social security tax should be raised. They don't want to take any financial responsibility either way, they seem to think these sorts of problems should just fall to individuals even if they helped create said problems for people who otherwise thought they were doing the responsible thing and sought a job with a pension plan, etc.)

Careful now - attempting to state rich get more benefit from public structures is a poor arguement. Property taxes in cities and counties is what pays for the benefits that your are primarily talking about and from looking at tax structures - property owners pay much more in taxes then none property owners, corporations with commerical property structured without political benefits often pay a greater share then many would image.
In states where property tax is high often the tradeoff is that sales tax is lower. California is kind of an exception; both rates are somewhat high. But Oregon as an example, has very low sales tax and higher property tax. And businesses presumably benefit because they can sell things cheaper and more of the market can buy more things. Switch that around, high sales tax and low property tax, then more people can afford to buy houses, but rich people also can afford to tie up their money in property investments and such, but it costs a little more to buy things in the store. It's a tradeoff, and I fail to see where the wealthy are hurt in either scenario honestly.

Last I heard it was the loss of income associated with the loss of health. So saying its from just poor health seems a bit misleading to me.
Of course. But that's kind of a distinction without meaning or vice-versa, isn't it? The fact that most Americans cannot afford to take a month off work for chemo (and a lot of pepole might need more than a month depending on whatever their medical condition is) without defaulting on their mortgage is a reality. I don't see how it would be any more an individual's fault for getting sick.... I mean, I guess I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that if someone gets seriously sick then they deserve to lose their house even more? I don't see how that serves society.