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    don't have the direct experience, but general principles will work, i'm sure. eat right and exercise.. it's no mystery. are you getting fat or is the excess weight muscle?

    some of the basics i would follow if i were trying to slim down:

    1) hit the weights. building the muscle mass increases metabolism.

    2) hit the cardio. preferably right after lifting (good for blood pressure). get at least 30 mins a day in. an hour is better.

    3) eat less sugar. eat NO simple sugars. cut out sodas, candies and treats of all sorts ENTIRELY (can return to them occasionally once you are at your target weight). need something sweet, eat some fruit. sweeter? tropical fruit.

    4) drink more water. help you shed any water weight you are carrying around.

    5) look into using protein powder for meal replacement. good way to control your carb intake. personally, i'm a fan of MRM's egg-white protein. also, if you do any serious lifting, you need lots of protein.

    6) supplements. some people don't think these work or are necessary. i do. i probably take too many supplements, cuz i'm a bit of a freak about them. but for weight loss, and general health, i'd suggest a few: a good multi vit&min, chromium, cinnamon, a good omega 3-6-9 (or fish oil at least), 5-htp and l-tyrosine.

    specifically for lifting, i'd throw in l-glutamine, MSM, glucosamine/chondriotin, systemic enzymes, and a good anti-oxidant (resveratrol, green tea polyphenols, etc).

    7) in addition to simple sugars, these are things you should really avoid consuming: alcohol, saturated fats, hydogenated fats. and never, EVER consume high fructose corn syrup. it's probably the worst thing you can eat short of poisons.

    8) never be hungry. hunger is bad. it means your boy is starving for nutrients. eat small meals often. when you are doing it right, you'll want to eat about every 2-3 hours. a scoop of protein powder in 12ozs of milk is a good in-between meal. piece of fruit + raw nuts is a great snack.



    for exercising, this is what i do now (i think it would be fine for someone trying to lose weight). the sets and reps are just what i usually do, not a recommendation, per se.

    day 1 - chest and tris
    -bench press, 6x12
    -incline bench, 3x8
    -dumbbell pec flys, 3x8
    -cable crossovers, 3x10
    -skullcrushers, 3x8
    -cable press downs, 4x10
    -dumbbell tri extensions, 3x8

    day 2 - back and bis
    -preacher curls, 4x10
    -hammer curls, 3x10
    -dumbbell curls (w/ twist), 3x10
    -wide grip pull downs, 4x10
    -medium grip pull downs, 3x8
    -narrow grip pull downs, 3x8
    -seated cable row, 3x10
    -dead lift, 3x8
    -stiff leg dead lift, 3x8

    day 3 - shoulders
    -seated arnold dumbbell press, 3x10
    -overhead barbell press, 4x10
    -dumbbell front raise, 3x10
    -dumbbell lateral raise, 3x10
    -barbell or smith machine row, 4x8
    -dumbell shrug, 4x8

    day 4 - legs
    -leg extension, 3x10
    -leg curl, 3x10
    -leg press, 3x10
    -stiff leg dead lift, 3x8
    -narrow stance squat, 3x8
    -medium stance squat, 3x10
    -wide stance squat, 3x8

    i do about an hour of cardio every day. my cardio consists of 5-10 minute intervals on bike, treadmill, stair climber, and heavy bag. i usually go 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off, for the week. 2 of the 3 off days will be core. my core routine looks like this:

    -pullovers, 20
    -supermans, 2 mins (or two 1-mins)
    -accordion crunch, 30
    -side bridge, 1 min each side (usually as two 30s holds)
    -divebomber pushups, 10-15
    -bridge, 2 mins
    -pilates roll-ups, 10
    -straight leg lifts, 10
    -bicycle crunches, 40 pedals
    -mountain climbers, 40 (20 with each leg)
    -wall sit, 2 mins


    for the core and lifting i would keep a high pace with moderate weight for a couple weeks to build lean muscle mass.


    hope some of that is useful.


    edit: and obviously never eat fast food. it's so high in saturated fat and calories that you can't eat it and expect to be healthy. eat lots of veggies and lean protein.
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    I like your diet advice but this is way to much volume for my goals. Heh I know allot of the principles and all that jazz. I know what to do. but what I'm really looking for is someone who has lost this much and kept it off. Powerlifting is filled with guys who fluctuate in weight but very few lose allot of it. I more interested in the physiological effect of all this. Im used to eating whatever I want when I want and I simply cant keep doing that.

    Thanks for the advice though I do appreciate all of it
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    i'm not talking about powerlifting.

    that exercise routine can be done as a circuit with low-moderate weight. that's what someone would want to do if they are looking to lose weight.

    it sounds like you are already fairly active, or at least have been up until very recently. if that's the case, nutrition is 80% of your gameplan. i can't stress these enough:

    1) no simple sugars. none. at all. no juice or soda, candy or cake, anything with added sugar while you are trying to lose weight is a no go.

    2) eat more veggies. no matter how much you eat now, eat more. you could literally eat an infinite amount of these and still lose weight:
    lettuce
    cabbage
    broccoli
    celery
    bok choy
    onions
    spinach
    kale
    etc

    3) eat lean protein. fish is a great lean protein, but very lean beef is good too, as is turkey and chicken, of course. beans too. eggs as well. the lowest calorie protein you can consume is egg whites.

    4) eat more essential fatty acids (omega 3-6-9 fats). it is fat, and so is relatively high in calories. but the benefits far outweigh the calorie load. best sources are fish oils, nuts, and seeds. personally, i prefer to get mine in a supplement form, because i'm lazy.



    i may not have the direct experience, but aside from surgery, this is how people keep weight off. the math is simple: calorie intake < calorie expenditure = weight loss. that's all there is. proper nutrition to for calorie intake and proper exercise for calorie expenditure will get you there. you don't need to count calories like some anorexic hollywood starlet, but just be aware of the general amount you are taking in. building a proper foundation for your body with exercise, and learning good nutrition is how you keep the weight off in the future.

    nothing i said is groundbreaking; you'll find it in some form in every weight loss book/program out there. because that's how weight loss happens. the only reason it doesn't work for some (many) is because those people don't or can't follow through.
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    I agree with all your dieting advice I do not agree with your training regimen. Heavy weights works extremely well for burning calories and cardiovascular work. Thats why at 240 lbs I was able to move like I did because I was very strong and had a good heart. If I feel like I can perform my best at 200 lbs I will stay there. Ive always been the fat kid and seeing abs for once wouldn't hurt. I guess being around all these little frat boys rubs off on me lol. HOwever I really see this as an opportunity to tear myself down and then build back up with all the knowledge I have attained.
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    what exactly do you disagree with about the example regimen? there are 2 basic strategies for lifting to get lean 1) lift light to moderate at a high intensity (circuit) to burn calories and improve total body strength 2) lift heavy to increase muscle mass, then taper down to a maintenance routine to keep fit. both work, some people respond better to one or the other, though. unless you're a bodybuilder, heavy all the time is counter-productive.

    if you really want to lose fat, you have to add in the cardio too. i knew many guys in college that were big and strong and fat, and as soon as they started running, the fat just melted off. running is pretty much the best thing you can do, but it can be hard on the joints for a big guy (i'm a big man myself, but i've big strong bones and big strong joints).

    you might want to look into some form of grappling/boxing/kickboxing. hell of a workout.


    edit: oh and try to pay as little attention to the frat boys as possible, in all things.
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    Come to two-a-day fussball practice at my school or do our sprinting workouts.

    20 yard - 40 of them @ 5 sec./5 sec. rest
    60 yards - 40 of them @ 12 sec/12 sec. rest
    100 yards -20 of them @ 15 sec./15 sec. rest

    Then do a couple miles under 12:00 minutes and you'll be fine.

    I'm 5'11 and 160


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    Come to two-a-day fussball practice at my school or do our sprinting workouts.

    20 yard - 40 of them @ 5 sec./5 sec. rest
    60 yards - 40 of them @ 12 sec/12 sec. rest
    100 yards -20 of them @ 15 sec./15 sec. rest

    Then do a couple miles under 12:00 minutes and you'll be fine.

    I'm 5'11 and 160
    mixing in sprinting with regular running is a great idea.
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    I lost about thirty pounds in about three months. I'm still losing weight as I have gone over my plateau.

    Walk everywhere. Read. Lift some weights. Drink water. Drink water until you have to pee every hour, jk.

    A small bottle of soda an a candy bar is much more likely to give you cavities than make or keep you fat. Just remember to exercise it off. Eat small meals throughout the day. GET PLENTY OF SLEEP.

    Oh, and you'll love this one: Cut out alcohol.
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    It's simple. For food: Increase quality, decrease quantity. For exercise: Do more.

    Simple as that, the rest is up to you. It's going to be difficult if you're in college, really hard I should say. Do the above and exercise twice a day.

    Oh, no drinking!


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    What if switched to boxed wine or whiskey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    What if switched to boxed wine or whiskey?
    You're in college, so giving up the drink is not an option. Just don't eat breakfast or lunch. Beer is food. Worked for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    What if switched to boxed wine or whiskey?
    Worked for this guy, and a few million others.

    But check your liver first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    Worked for this guy, and a few million others.

    But check your liver first.
    Looks legit.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Way back in the Bronze Age, I worked Saturdays at a Mom & Pop grocery store. I'd tell Leo: "I gotta get home in time for the The Jackie Gleason Show!". He (Gleason) went on the drinking man's diet and lost an astounding amount of weight - I watched it melt off in a few short months on my little black-and-white TV set.

    But I think he missed the carbs after awhile, because he slowly put weight back on (though not as heavy as he had been). I think I remember an interview where he explained that some doc told him his liver, then heart were gonna go if he kept at it. But then, he was in his late 50's by then.

    You might remember him as the Sheriff in the Bert Reynolds 'convoy' movies. Big fella by then.
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