Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
I agree with this statement. But this statement is not the same t hing as saying the Dems are just as complicit in every inch of every abuse made in the last 8 years in the name of terrorism. They aren't. Saying they caved and gave into the Administration so they are at fault is like saying she didn't leave her husband so don't tell me she's abused. Bad analogy, but you get the point. I just resent the implication being made that both parties have been equally on board about all these bad laws to equal extent-- that is very much revisionism in favor of the Republicans, who held the majority for 6/8 years and played all kinds of sore winner b.s. tactics like nuclear option. I totally agree they've been crap in the last two years and what I hear (this is pure grapevine) is that they are letting the GOP choke itself to death to help out whoever the Dem candidate is. If that's true, it's a political game and I agree it sucks. But I also think with a real majority and/or a President who isn't going to veto anything they want to do in opposition anyhow, or exact retribution by vetoing everything if they refuse to go along with a bill he wants or a funding extension, their balls will descend a bit more.
And I never tried to pin the Dems with complicity of 8 years of Bush. Just the past 2, when they had the power and ability to stop him.

Regarding "all these laws". For someone that hates the Bush administration as much as you do, I'm not sure you really understand how they work. The Bush administration doesn't care about laws, if they get passed in their favor, "yeah!", if not, "national security concerns" or signing statements will get them by. Just hand it off to the OLC, some legal hand-waving occurs, and presto!, the administration gets what they want. They will continue to do this until Congress calls them on it. The concept of the unitary executive and all that. This was one of the main reasons the Dems got all the votes in 2006, to stand up to the abuses. In this, they have failed, but they did slow down the process.