I Am Shocked, Shocked that U.S. Gov Abused Blank Check Powers

[Lemur]

Who would have thought that our government would abuse limitless powers of surveillance?

Despite pledges by President George W. Bush and American intelligence officials to the contrary, hundreds of US citizens overseas have been eavesdropped on as they called friends and family back home, according to two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia. [...]

"These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones," said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.

Kinne described the contents of the calls as "personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism."

She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States. [...]

The accounts of the two former intercept operators, who have never met and did not know of the other's allegations, provide the first inside look at the day to day operations of the huge and controversial US terrorist surveillance program.

"There is a constant check to make sure that our civil liberties of our citizens are treated with respect," said President Bush at a news conference this past February.

But the accounts of the two whistleblowers, which could not be independently corroborated, raise serious questions about how much respect is accorded those Americans whose conversations are intercepted in the name of fighting terrorism.

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This is just lovely:

One whistleblower said that NSA employees would entertain themselves listening to "phone sex" and "pillow talk." But I am sure this was all done to protect us from the terrorists.

But remember kids, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, and just to prove this we're going to install a Federal monitor in everybody's bathroom.

[Oleander Ardens]

Well it is sick. Or wait this is the Bush way of doing things. Well sick or Bush is all the same.

BTW Palin loves it too to abuse power. Guess that's why she loves the great leader Bush soo much.

I wonder that any Republican with intact ethics and some intellectual capacities can support either. But nowaday Republican, ethics and intellect are Oxymorons.

P.S: After posting this I read this piece about how the Rep. managed to alienate the educated class.

[Banquo's Ghost]

But nowaday Republican, ethics and intellect are Oxymorons.

I would prefer it that patrons do not use insulting generalisations that amount to personal attacks on other members. This tends to result in tit-for-tat flame wars.

There are some very ethical and intelligent members of this forum that happen to have Republican sympathies.

Thank you kindly.

[Oleander Ardens]

I would prefer it that patrons do not use insulting generalisations that amount to personal attacks on other members. This tends to result in tit-for-tat flame wars.

There are some very ethical and intelligent members of this forum that happen to have Republican sympathies.

Thank you kindly.

Thanks for the correction. I intended to say "governing" Republicans and ethics and "governing" Republicans and intellect are Oxymorons.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thanks for the correction. I intended to say "governing" Republicans and ethics and "governing" Republicans and intellect are Oxymorons.

Still insulting.

Not really oxymoronic either, since neither word pairing is a typical phrase or title. People have jibed about the oxymoronic quality of "Military Intelligence" or "Jumbo Shrimp" for a long time now, but you are trying to force the word pairings.

"Republican Ethicist" and "Republican Intellectual" would be more in line with the viscious point you are trying to make.


Then again, maybe I am incorrect. Since I've voted GOP most of my life, I'm probably too dumb to understand your point -- or maybe too busy with my "who do we subjugate next" committee work.

[Lemur]

Since I've voted GOP most of my life, I'm probably too dumb to understand your point -- or maybe too busy with my "who do we subjugate next" committee work.

See, if you weren't such a dummy you'd know that it's "whom do we subjugate next."

[KarlXII]

I would prefer it that patrons do not use insulting generalisations that amount to personal attacks on other members. This tends to result in tit-for-tat flame wars.

Seems a lot of people already do it.

Just saying....

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Oh wow, this is the first time I've posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oh wow, this is the first time I've posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

Welcome to the Backroom!




We're always glad to have new folks join in the fun...

[drone]

Too late for this now, since the Democratic Congress caved and passed the new FISA law. Gutless cowards.

At some point, these powers are going to be used politically. Watergate II, electronic bug-aloo!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The better to monitor President Obama's political enemies.

[Kadagar_AV]

Swedish government wanted a new law to for our version of NSA to be able to intercept calls.

However, the people kind of were against it, and they couldn't pass the law (huge demontrations and stuff).

The swedes behind the law had the same arguments as Bush, that this in no way would have anything to do with normal calls...

I dontt hink the swedish government can handle it better than the US, so I am glad they didnt get to pass it.

Think the US will react to this?

[Strike For The South]

Swedish government wanted a new law to for our version of NSA to be able to intercept calls.

However, the people kind of were against it, and they couldn't pass the law (huge demontrations and stuff).

The swedes behind the law had the same arguments as Bush, that this in no way would have anything to do with normal calls...

I dontt hink the swedish government can handle it better than the US, so I am glad they didnt get to pass it.

Think the US will react to this?

Unfortunately the US government doesn't listen to its people. You can do that when 10 guys provide 99% of your funding

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well it is sick. Or wait this is the Bush way of doing things. Well sick or Bush is all the same.

BTW Palin loves it too to abuse power. Guess that's why she loves the great leader Bush soo much.

I wonder that any Republican with intact ethics and some intellectual capacities can support either. But nowaday Republican, ethics and intellect are Oxymorons.

P.S: After posting this I read this piece about how the Rep. managed to alienate the educated class.

No, its the Democratic Congress's way of doing things as well. Those cowards passed the law.

This is why we should vote Libertarian or Constitutional party.

Sorry, but I don't completely trust the NYT. Nor do I trust Police Department internal investigations.

CR

[PanzerJaeger]

Another issue the democrats promised to address but capitulated on. What have they done with their two years besides give Barney Frank lots of power.

[Lemur]

Another issue the democrats promised to address but capitulated on. What have they done with their two years besides give Barney Frank lots of power.

You first sentence ends in a preposition, and your second one erroneously concludes with a period instead of a question mark, even though you're clearly posing an interrogative.

I can't work under these conditions, with these barbarians ...

[PanzerJaeger]

You first sentence ends in a preposition, and your second one erroneously concludes with a period instead of a question mark, even though you're clearly posing an interrogative.

I can't work under these conditions, with these barbarians ...

I do apologize, posting while taking notes can end up pretty sloppy.

[Gregoshi]

You'd think these surveillance folks would spell/grammar check for you whilest reading your posts. What the heck are we paying them for?

[Kadagar_AV]

You'd think these surveillance folks would spell/grammar check for you whilest reading your posts. What the heck are we paying them for?

This, my friend, was the best post I've seen in years.

Cheers!

[Koga No Goshi]

Another issue the democrats promised to address but capitulated on. What have they done with their two years besides give Barney Frank lots of power.

Hehe, 2 years of Dems in Congress didn't undue roughly 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation. The shock! The horror! ::ANGERMAN::

[Redleg]

Hehe, 2 years of Dems in Congress didn't undue roughly 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation. The shock! The horror! ::ANGERMAN::

However this was one area of the law that the Democratic controlled congress could of easily done.

So are you attempting to justify this failure of the Democratic controlled congress with the 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation that you feel is a big failure?

[HoreTore]

However this was one area of the law that the Democratic controlled congress could of easily done.

So are you attempting to justify this failure of the Democratic controlled congress with the 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation that you feel is a big failure?

Right.....

So, if I spill coffee at work, and the stain is still there the next day, the blame is on the maintenance guy who didn't clean it up, and not myself who actually made the stain....?

[Koga No Goshi]

Right.....

So, if I spill coffee at work, and the stain is still there the next day, the blame is on the maintenance guy who didn't clean it up, and not myself who actually made the stain....?

That's always the way it worked. There is no end to the litany of things "Clinton did" when Bush stopped being a lame duck and started to actively screw up the country.

[Redleg]

Right.....

So, if I spill coffee at work, and the stain is still there the next day, the blame is on the maintenance guy who didn't clean it up, and not myself who actually made the stain....?

Actually that is not what I said

You are responsible for not cleaning up your own mess

The maintenance guy is responsible for not cleaning up the mess that he knew was there.

Different types of blame, but shared nevertheless.

[PanzerJaeger]

Hehe, 2 years of Dems in Congress didn't undue roughly 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation. The shock! The horror! ::ANGERMAN::

I wasn't aware that the republicans had control of congress for the last 30 years.

[seireikhaan]

More blame game. What a shocker.

We have a civil rights crisis, and each side is so busy pointing fingers we don't even have time to even lament the problem, let alone discuss what should be done about it. Congratz all.

Besides Greg, of course, who manages to make me smile even whilst being furious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I love how a thread titled "U.S Gov Abused Blank check powers" turned partisan instantly. It's us vs the politicians on this one, everyone in this thread is on the same side...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hehe, 2 years of Dems in Congress didn't undue roughly 30 years of Reaganomic trickle down and deregulation. The shock! The horror! ::ANGERMAN::

Curse those unregulated truck shipping firms!

I love how a thread titled "U.S Gov Abused Blank check powers" turned partisan instantly. It's us vs the politicians on this one, everyone in this thread is on the same side...

So true. Politicians of both parties almost always love to have more power. They just go through it via different means.

CR

[Xiahou]

So wait, Americans who were in the Middle East talking on satellite phones are surprised/shocked to learn that they were being listened in on? Being DOD sat phones makes it even better.

Here's another newsflash- cell phones are also easily eavesdropped on and trackable! Shock!

Should the government be wasting it's time listening in on personal conversations of it's own personnel? No. But we're talking about government- wasting resources and invading your privacy is what it does best.

[seireikhaan]

So wait, Americans who were in the Middle East talking on satellite phones are surprised/shocked to learn that they were being listened in on? Being DOD sat phones makes it even better.

Here's another newsflash- cell phones are also easily eavesdropped on and trackable! Shock!

Should the government be wasting it's time listening in on personal conversations of it's own personnel? No. But we're talking about government- wasting resources and invading your privacy is what it does best.

Right- so its better to just pass an invasion of privacy as "something it does best" and move on, rather than proposing any change to it? Hey, taxing is what the government does best too, should we let them tax however much they want?