Setting the Influence straight...

**Martok** · 12-27-2008, 08:59

Originally Posted by gollum

Hi,
Another way to add to influence is to marry one of your own princess to your king - when he is still a prince we all know that he gets loyalty but when he is a monarch he gets influence, i think plus one but could be plus two - memory is unclear.

Interbreeding is a very useful tool in any case and if used appropriately there is no need to use the .unfreeze. ever.

!it burnsus!

Have you verified this? Because in my experience, a prince's loyalty doesn't have any real effect on how much influence he'll have when he takes the throne (aside from that both are affected by how much influence his father has/had).

**gollum** · 12-27-2008, 09:54

Yes master Martok,
its verified, only that the heir needs to become king and when he marries his sister then, he gets the influence bonus (so it can also be actually seen). If as you say he gets married before he takes the throne he gets no extra influence, just extra loyalty while a prince - this indeed is not transferable.

Its a matter of timing, ie having a royal princess available and a heir that has just taken the throne and also having an inclination for perverse genetic experiments

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**gollum** · 12-31-2008, 17:05

Effect confirmed thrice more;

marrying your king to a female member of your royal family BEFORE he marries a daughter of famous aristocrat or a princess of other kingdom, gets him plus 2 influence.

WARNING - if your king marries another woman too at the same turn - THERE IS NO EFFECT.

!it burnsus!

**caravel** · 12-31-2008, 18:01

Originally Posted by gollum

WARNING - if your king marries another woman too at the same turn - THERE IS NO EFFECT.

Apart from a very happy, or perhaps, very stressed king.

**gollum** · 12-31-2008, 18:53

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**Ironside** · 01-01-2009, 10:56

Originally Posted by gollum

Effect confirmed thrice more;

marrying your king to a female member of your royal family BEFORE he marries a princess of other kingdom, gets him plus 2 influence.

!it burnsus!

That part sounds buggy.

**gollum** · 01-01-2009, 12:21

You mean? It worked three times in yesterdays camp for me. (french/pocketmod/early/hard/VI-2.01).

Usually the younger the newly coronated king the longer the gap before he finds a wife, so its more safe for the "tactic" to work - distance of princess to king also plays part - i had him choose to marry sometimes when the princess finally reached him and then he only gets the secret incest trait.

Not convinced? Try it yourself. All you need is a Princess available at coronation time and a prefferably young just coronated king. Just send her in to do her thing and your in business.

If the king is very old though you may still not be fast enough as i mentioned - old newly coronated kings choose to marry right away (1 turn) many times.

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**caravel** · 01-02-2009, 01:58

I think Ironside means that it may be a bug. If it is, it proves that somehow loyalty and influence are very close if not the same thing under another name... this is entirely plausible. If the king gains two influence from marrying a princess then this proves he's getting what should have been the loyalty bonus that a general or prince would get from such a union. If the king get's an influence bonus from this, then this shows that in addressing loyalty, the bonus has addressed Influence instead. I doubt this is intentional so it must be that a king's influence stat is loyalty under another name. And once a general or prince becomes king the stat get's modified and dealt with differently.

After all there are other bugs in MTW as regards marriages. The Pope for example cannot marry directly but can be married via princesses targeting emissaries. This is an oversight by the developer and as such, technically, a bug. It is open because Emissaries are generic units and the only way to block this would have been to create "papal emissaries" that don't allow this or to hard code it (as they had done with the pope himself). Another means open to the modder is to deny the papacy emissaries and force them to rely on bishops/cardinals only. This is not a bad idea.

**gollum** · 01-02-2009, 02:53

I think Ironside means that it may be a bug. If it is, it proves that somehow loyalty and influence are very close if not the same thing under another name... this is entirely plausible. If the king gains two influence from marrying a princess then this proves he's getting what should have been the loyalty bonus that a general or prince would get from such a union. If the king get's an influence bonus from this, then this shows that in addressing loyalty, the bonus has addressed Influence instead. I doubt this is intentional so it must be that a king's influence stat is loyalty under another name. And once a general or prince becomes king the stat get's modified and dealt with differently.

After all there are other bugs in MTW as regards marriages. The Pope for example cannot marry directly but can be married via princesses targeting emissaries. This is an oversight by the developer and as such, technically, a bug. It is open because Emissaries are generic units and the only way to block this would have been to create "papal emissaries" that don't allow this or to hard code it (as they had done with the pope himself). Another means open to the modder is to deny the papacy emissaries and force them to rely on bishops/cardinals only. This is not a bad idea.

Agreed

!it burnsus!

**Ironside** · 01-03-2009, 10:17

I might have misred , but if this only works with your own princesses and not when you king is marrying a foreign princess, then it's really buggy and not just an oversight (that every princess marriage gives a influence bonus, including the incestious ones).

The game is riddled with multiple rare bugs though, so it wouldn't be that surprising.