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    An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.

    Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.

    Through her mother, Grossmann, 18, of Delta Junction, reported the assault to campus security the next morning, and Minneapolis police were notified that afternoon. No arrests have been made.

    Grossmann said she was in a dorm lobby with a handful of fellow Republicans watching election returns with "a bunch of Democrats around next to me, cheering [Barack] Obama on and rubbing it in our faces."

    Once it was obvious that Obama was going to win, Grossmann said, she left the building alone shortly after 9:30 p.m. and headed to her room.

    Under a skyway connecting the two buildings, four women "bigger than I am" came up to her, she said.

    "One approached me and got in my face and called me racist because I had the pin on. That really ticked me off, but I kind of left it alone because she was so much bigger than I am," said Grossmann. She is 5 feet 2 and weighs 120 pounds, and played boys high school hockey in Alaska. "The girls in the background were just a little bigger than me. They were mocking me from the sidelines.

    "I didn't say anything. ... This one [bigger] girl grabbed me by the shoulders and was holding me. After about five minutes, I just wanted to get out of there."

    Grossmann, who is white, said she told the women, who were black, "You guys don't even know me. There's no reason to think I'm racist."

    At that point, she said, she pushed the bigger one in the group, and "she punched me, and the back of my head hit a brick wall."

    "'Are you serious?''' she recalled saying to the women. After cursing at Grossmann, the women left, and "I held my eye and went to my room."

    The team trainer, who checked her out the next day, said she probably had a concussion and barred her from practice for two days. She said she's also been required by the school to attend counseling and missed a day of classes.

    As for her future at the college, she said, "I love Augsburg, and I love the team here. I have no plans on leaving." However, she added, "there are a few things that can change here, conservative versus liberal."

    Augsburg spokesman Jeff Shelman said the school doubts that the women are students, citing a review of dorm building video surveillance that evening and the fact that the victim didn't recognize any of them.

    Grossmann's parents, Bruce and Dawn, said that in the weeks leading up to the presidential election, Annie had trouble on campus because of her political leanings and for being a hunter.

    Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.

    "I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."

    Dawn Grossmann, a Delta Junction City Council member and chairwoman of a state commission that oversees public service funding in Alaska, said some professors and fellow students gave her a hard time for backing the GOP ticket. Citing academic privacy restrictions, Shelman said he could not confirm the other incidents the Grossmanns mentioned.

    Dawn Grossmann has met with Palin for government business purposes and sent her daughter Palin campaign T-shirts. Bruce Grossmann said that Annie has also met Palin, is "very proud of Sarah Palin" and considers her "a role model."

    Dawn Grossmann described Delta Junction as "small-town conservative" and "being in Minneapolis, that's very much of a change" for her daughter.

    "She was surprised by how politically active the campus was," Annie's mother said. "She got a lesson right off the bat."

    In October, a 20-year-old McCain campaign volunteer in Pennsylvania made up a story of being robbed and having the backwards letter "B" scratched on her face in a politically inspired attack.

    Police and Augsburg University say they have no reason to suspect Grossmann was not assaulted.


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    Apologies if I'm suffering from Lemur's Disease, but this story bothers me tremendously. I'm especially upset that the incident occurred here in Minnesota, since we as a state have long prided ourselves on being tolerant of other people's political views and beliefs. When I read crap like this, though, it makes me wonder:

    Bruce Grossmann [the victim's father] said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.

    She was booed for being a Republican?? Seriously? I hope against hope that his daughter made up that part of the story, because otherwise it would mean that Ms. Grossman's fellow students displayed a complete and utter lack of class, to say nothing of respect.

    I'm not a Republican; I never have, and I probably never will be. Indeed, my political leanings have always had a more liberal bent than not. But to exhibit this kind of behavior -- even setting aside the physical attack -- sickens and shames me. We're supposed to be better than this.


    I hope that this is only the exception to the rule, but I worry. If it's an indication of a trend, then I fear for the future....particularly if this is becoming commonplace in a state that at least *was* known for mutual tolerance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok View Post
    I hope that this is only the exception to the rule, but I worry. If it's an indication of a trend, then I fear for the future....particularly if this is becoming commonplace in a state that at least *was* known for mutual tolerance.



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    It looks to me like an isolated incident by some thugs. Look at the PETA incident this way, they moved the complainer to another dorm rather than have her take down the picture. As for the booing...if you support a rival sports team you'll get booed in much the same way lol.

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    Hopefully they were just drunk or something and didn't know what they were doing.
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    I can't comment on the "physical attack" part of the story, because I am unable to read the entire article (apparently you have to be a member to get the story). If it's true, it's pretty much against everything living in a democracy stands for.

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    Tolerance and understanding is only tolerable and understandable if you agree. ... Why is that so hard to understand?
    Sorry, but did you watch McCain's concession speech? Arguably his finest speech of the campaign, a moment of honesty and grace from a tired warrior who had done his best yet lost the battle. It was ruined because everytime he mentioned Obama the entire crowd started booing and heckling.

    Please don't try to imply that being rude to dissenting opinions is something that is the sole domain of the left.

    The political system in the US is responsible. It is so divisive and partisan it seems to have rendered your citizenry who, for the most part are decent, thoughtful people, incapable of being civil to each other when it comes to issues of "right" and "left."
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    Especially when in reality each party barley leaves the centre-spot.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    The link doesn't work for me. I believe this is the Star Tribune story from another source:
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    Politics prompted her assault, Augsburg student says

    An Augsburg freshman says four women called her racist and punched her on election night after seeing her McCain-Palin button.

    By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune

    Last update: November 11, 2008 - 11:05 PM

    An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.

    Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.

    Through her mother, Grossmann, 18, of Delta Junction, reported the assault to campus security the next morning, and Minneapolis police were notified that afternoon. No arrests have been made.

    Grossmann said she was in a dorm lobby with a handful of fellow Republicans watching election returns with "a bunch of Democrats around next to me, cheering [Barack] Obama on and rubbing it in our faces."

    Once it was obvious that Obama was going to win, Grossmann said, she left the building alone shortly after 9:30 p.m. and headed to her room.

    Under a skyway connecting the two buildings, four women "bigger than I am" came up to her, she said.

    "One approached me and got in my face and called me racist because I had the pin on. That really ticked me off, but I kind of left it alone because she was so much bigger than I am," said Grossmann. She is 5 feet 2 and weighs 120 pounds, and played boys high school hockey in Alaska. "The girls in the background were just a little bigger than me. They were mocking me from the sidelines.

    "I didn't say anything. ... This one [bigger] girl grabbed me by the shoulders and was holding me. After about five minutes, I just wanted to get out of there."

    Grossmann, who is white, said she told the women, who were black, "You guys don't even know me. There's no reason to think I'm racist."

    At that point, she said, she pushed the bigger one in the group, and "she punched me, and the back of my head hit a brick wall."

    "'Are you serious?''' she recalled saying to the women. After cursing at Grossmann, the women left, and "I held my eye and went to my room."

    The team trainer, who checked her out the next day, said she probably had a concussion and barred her from practice for two days. She said she's also been required by the school to attend counseling and missed a day of classes.

    As for her future at the college, she said, "I love Augsburg, and I love the team here. I have no plans on leaving." However, she added, "there are a few things that can change here, conservative versus liberal."

    Augsburg spokesman Jeff Shelman said the school doubts that the women are students, citing a review of dorm building video surveillance that evening and the fact that the victim didn't recognize any of them.

    Grossmann's parents, Bruce and Dawn, said that in the weeks leading up to the presidential election, Annie had trouble on campus because of her political leanings and for being a hunter.

    Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.

    "I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."

    Dawn Grossmann, a Delta Junction City Council member and chairwoman of a state commission that oversees public service funding in Alaska, said some professors and fellow students gave her a hard time for backing the GOP ticket. Citing academic privacy restrictions, Shelman said he could not confirm the other incidents the Grossmanns mentioned.

    Dawn Grossmann has met with Palin for government business purposes and sent her daughter Palin campaign T-shirts. Bruce Grossmann said that Annie has also met Palin, is "very proud of Sarah Palin" and considers her "a role model."

    Dawn Grossmann described Delta Junction as "small-town conservative" and "being in Minneapolis, that's very much of a change" for her daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    I can't comment on the "physical attack" part of the story, because I am unable to read the entire article (apparently you have to be a member to get the story). If it's true, it's pretty much against everything living in a democracy stands for.
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    An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.

    Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.

    Through her mother, Grossmann, 18, of Delta Junction, reported the assault to campus security the next morning, and Minneapolis police were notified that afternoon. No arrests have been made.

    Grossmann said she was in a dorm lobby with a handful of fellow Republicans watching election returns with "a bunch of Democrats around next to me, cheering [Barack] Obama on and rubbing it in our faces."

    Once it was obvious that Obama was going to win, Grossmann said, she left the building alone shortly after 9:30 p.m. and headed to her room.

    Under a skyway connecting the two buildings, four women "bigger than I am" came up to her, she said.

    "One approached me and got in my face and called me racist because I had the pin on. That really ticked me off, but I kind of left it alone because she was so much bigger than I am," said Grossmann. She is 5 feet 2 and weighs 120 pounds, and played boys high school hockey in Alaska. "The girls in the background were just a little bigger than me. They were mocking me from the sidelines.

    "I didn't say anything. ... This one [bigger] girl grabbed me by the shoulders and was holding me. After about five minutes, I just wanted to get out of there."

    Grossmann, who is white, said she told the women, who were black, "You guys don't even know me. There's no reason to think I'm racist."

    At that point, she said, she pushed the bigger one in the group, and "she punched me, and the back of my head hit a brick wall."

    "'Are you serious?''' she recalled saying to the women. After cursing at Grossmann, the women left, and "I held my eye and went to my room."

    The team trainer, who checked her out the next day, said she probably had a concussion and barred her from practice for two days. She said she's also been required by the school to attend counseling and missed a day of classes.

    As for her future at the college, she said, "I love Augsburg, and I love the team here. I have no plans on leaving." However, she added, "there are a few things that can change here, conservative versus liberal."

    Augsburg spokesman Jeff Shelman said the school doubts that the women are students, citing a review of dorm building video surveillance that evening and the fact that the victim didn't recognize any of them.

    Grossmann's parents, Bruce and Dawn, said that in the weeks leading up to the presidential election, Annie had trouble on campus because of her political leanings and for being a hunter.

    Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.

    "I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."

    Dawn Grossmann, a Delta Junction City Council member and chairwoman of a state commission that oversees public service funding in Alaska, said some professors and fellow students gave her a hard time for backing the GOP ticket. Citing academic privacy restrictions, Shelman said he could not confirm the other incidents the Grossmanns mentioned.

    Dawn Grossmann has met with Palin for government business purposes and sent her daughter Palin campaign T-shirts. Bruce Grossmann said that Annie has also met Palin, is "very proud of Sarah Palin" and considers her "a role model."

    Dawn Grossmann described Delta Junction as "small-town conservative" and "being in Minneapolis, that's very much of a change" for her daughter.






    The political system in the US is responsible. It is so divisive and partisan it seems to have rendered your citizenry who, for the most part are decent, thoughtful people, incapable of being civil to each other when it comes to issues of "right" and "left."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Sorry, but did you watch McCain's concession speech? Arguably his finest speech of the campaign, a moment of honesty and grace from a tired warrior who had done his best yet lost the battle. It was ruined because everytime he mentioned Obama the entire crowd started booing and heckling.

    Please don't try to imply that being rude to dissenting opinions is something that is the sole domain of the left.

    The political system in the US is responsible. It is so divisive and partisan it seems to have rendered your citizenry who, for the most part are decent, thoughtful people, incapable of being civil to each other when it comes to issues of "right" and "left."
    I realize this I change my commentary to fit the issue. Both sides have forgotten to put the good of the country first. Hence my ulcers.
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    This is disgusting. Just because you disagree with someone is no reason to boo them.

    We can beat them on the issues anyway.
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    I would only ever attack someone if they were clearly a real racist, like a neo-Nazi or a supporter of affirmative action.

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    Something's fishy about this story. A true hockey player would have dropped the gloves, had the puncher's sweater over her head in a heartbeat, and gone to town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Something's fishy about this story. A true hockey player would have dropped the gloves, had the puncher's sweater over her head in a heartbeat, and gone to town.
    Yeah, Sarah Palin pitbull-style!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Something's fishy about this story. A true hockey player would have dropped the gloves, had the puncher's sweater over her head in a heartbeat, and gone to town.
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    Sadly, people are idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Sadly, people are idiots.

    reminds me of some winston churchill quote...

    Edit: the booing is shocking... i can understand an animal lover taking offence at the photo though
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    I can understand an animal lover taking offence at the photo though
    Hunting is not my thing either. But if some Peta member would totally freak out in my room over what's on my plate or on my wall she herself will end up on either one of her choice.
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    I didn't actually notice that it was her dorm room, i thought it was shared or something.... fair enough you can't complain about a poster like that in someone else's room...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    The link doesn't work for me. I believe this is the Star Tribune story from another source:
    Yep, that's the one.


    LittleGrizzly: Exactly. It'd obviously be different if this girl had been hauling the picture around the hallways showing everyone (and even then I don't think it would give her dorm-mates an excuse to freak out), but it wasn't like that at all.

    And to get booed simply for mentioning that you're a Republican.... [sigh] Unless she was throwing her party affiliation in their faces and calling everyone weak liberal wusses, I don't understand how people can react like that.
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    Exactly. It'd obviously be different if this girl had been hauling the picture around the hallways showing everyone (and even then I don't think it would give her dorm-mates an excuse to freak out), but it wasn't like that at all.

    I kindof misread it as a shared dorm at first, and well i would understand the request to be moved for that reason, no excuse for a hissy fit in that situation either...

    I wouldn't accept this kind of reaction to a student referring to himself as gay and this is no different imo

    Also as a side note, don't people realise this kind of bitter partisanship reinforces the other sides beliefs, there is no better way to get people to cling to thier beliefs tighter than to attack them...

    Though theres a difference between intellectual taking apart of a view and a simple attack on it
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