Discussion over moderation of spam (moved)

[Maion Maroneios]

Hmmm, am I smelling something or is it just me... I think it's the smell of the thread being closed due to Ibrahim's last comment. Please people, don't even mention anything in the likes of LS or balloons either.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't help it.

Maion

(Edit by bovi: This was in response to a post here)

[Ibrahim]

Hmmm, am I smelling something or is it just me... I think it's the smell of the thread being closed due to Ibrahim's last comment. Please people, don't even mention anything in the likes of LS or balloons either.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't help it.

Maion

sorry-my bad. no harm was intended out of it

[Maion Maroneios]

sorry-my bad. no harm was intended out of it

It's not me who was offended by it, I was just being sarcastic about the fact that all these stuff tend to lead to thread locking very very quickly lately.

Maion

[Pontius Pilate]

It's not me who was offended by it, I was just being sarcastic about the fact that all these stuff tend to lead to thread locking very very quickly lately.

Maion

well, not really. he didn't really say anything that would cause this thread to be closed. you're the one who brought up balloons and LS. and I've seen more often than not, that once someone starts talking about the thread getting closed, it gets closed.

[bovi]

Hmmm, am I smelling something or is it just me... I think it's the smell of the thread being closed due to Ibrahim's last comment. Please people, don't even mention anything in the likes of LS or balloons either.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't help it.

Maion

Balloons are in general okay. In that other thread the discussion was not friendly, and also it spammed a serious topic.

[Maion Maroneios]

I understand that discussions involving balloons, LS or the like must be very irritating to see all the time bovi, it's just that sometimes I believe you are a little too strict. Not just you, but the rest of the moderators too. But that's me, of course. I mean, even in the most serious of discussions there is room for humor or off-topic comments!

Maion

[bovi]

You're free to think so. I have seen the state of the forums before the mass of spamming came, the state when it came and was not moderated, and the state after it was moderated. I much prefer the former state, however I'll settle for the latter when that is no longer possible.

Scores in that thread before I took affair:
Posts about steppe warrior pictures - 8
Woot - 1
Balloons - 13
Other - 2

Okay, I forgot one post somewhere, so I guess you can chalk one more up for on-topic if you like. Do you see the trend?

Edit: Anyway, as this is way off-topic, we can take any further discussion over PM.

[Pontius Pilate]

You're free to think so. I have seen the state of the forums before the mass of spamming came, the state when it came and was not moderated, and the state after it was moderated. I much prefer the former state, however I'll settle for the latter when that is no longer possible.

Scores in that thread before I took affair:
Posts about steppe warrior pictures - 8
Woot - 1
Balloons - 13
Other - 2

Okay, I forgot one post somewhere, so I guess you can chalk one more up for on-topic if you like. Do you see the trend?

Edit: Anyway, as this is way off-topic, we can take any further discussion over PM.

so what was the forum like before the "mass spamming" came. was everthing "enlightened conversation" and what are those statistics about??

[Aemilius Paulus]

so what was the forum like before the "mass spamming" came. was everthing "enlightened conversation" and what are those statistics about??

If you want to see how it was like before the spamming, you should just check the early history of this forum by going back to the erliest threads. For me, this forum has 240 pages. You might have different settings on, but this forums is still pretty sizable. Beleive me, [bovi[/B] is right. I have seen that trend myself as I was reading the past threads, starting from threads #1. I have actually seen threads whose only purpose was spam and nothing else. Most of the threads during that "middle phase" degenerated into spam, and I have even seen the EB team members join the spamfest

Check this thread out:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93993. The thread starts out badly disguised as spam, but eventually, the people participating in it simply post SPAM in all caps and various fonts just for the sake of spam and increasing the number of posts they have. Even Tellos Athenaios and bovi participated in spamming.

Or this: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56169

As for those statistics, I believe they came from the "Pictures of Steppe Warriors" thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109741, that came very close to being locked. The moderators of this forum are actually pretty nice as moderators go. They allow so many things that they could have just locked.

[Foot]

watch out about the constructive criticism thing, it is not very welcome by this forum or the EB team. that's why so many people get flamed for it.

Show me somewhere where we have flamed someone who has given genuine constructive criticism of the mod. Back up your statement, retract it, or leave.

Foot

Edit by bovi: This post and its responses are moved here from this thread.

[Pontius Pilate]

Show me somewhere where we have flamed someone who has given genuine constructive criticism of the mod. Back up your statement, retract it, or leave.

Foot

that's the thing, anything I would consider genuine criticism, you would consider spam. so no matter what I put up you would find in some way, to say that it is not genuine. you do have to admit that when people second guess EB, like when they ask if Pannonian cavalry will be in the game, you respond quite harshly. also, if someone were to say that they would like to have unique marching sounds for the Romans in EB II, it would also be a little harsh for an EB team member to respond with cursing and vulgar in his post.


also, when you say "leave", you mean leave the thread right? I surely don’t hope you are suggesting to me or other moderators that I should permanently leave the EB forum and the Org. right? because if this is the case, well I have to say I am not intimidated one bit.

[johnhughthom]

also, if someone were to say that they would like to have unique marching sounds for the Romans in EB II, it would also be a little harsh for an EB team member to respond with cursing and vulgar in his post.

A thread closed by Foot where he told ALL parties to cool down, hardly a good example.

[Aemilius Paulus]

like when they ask if Pannonian cavalry will be in the game, you respond quite harshly.

Check out Rastapopoulos's history of posts and threads. He is the one who made that thread about Pannonian Cavalry. He also made something like 10 other threads asking if each individual unit was going to be in EB II. 99.9% of his posts are those of a troll. He is a troll. He either baits people or posts wildly irrelevant and immature statements. Foot is actually being nice by not banning him altogether for the many bad things Rastapopoulos has done. He even tried to impersonate General Appo once.

[Foot]

also, when you say "leave", you mean leave the thread right? I surely don’t hope you are suggesting to me or other moderators that I should permanently leave the EB forum and the Org. right? because if this is the case, well I have to say I am not intimidated one bit.

All I'm asking for is for you to put forward some solid cases where you think we have been unfair to genuine constructive criticism. If you cannot then I would suggest you retract your statement otherwise it is part of the problem not part of the solution, spreading poison against the EB team which we cannot respond to. Its creates an impression of the EB team that is unfair and something that we cannot respond to or rectify. Eventually we get a reputation that is undeserved and we have to close up shop because of the poison being spewed on our forums.

If you do neither of the above then I suggest that you leave, because all you are doing with your above statement is spreading poison against EB, something that I would consider to be trolling.

I hope you understand my position.

Foot

[a completely inoffensive name]

Everyone calm down. You are all arguing on the internet in a video game forum. When people say "The Internet is Serious Business!" they are joking. Kind of a disappointment to see this on the same day when 1.2 came out.

[Pontius Pilate]

All I'm asking for is for you to put forward some solid cases where you think we have been unfair to genuine constructive criticism. If you cannot then I would suggest you retract your statement otherwise it is part of the problem not part of the solution, spreading poison against the EB team which we cannot respond to. Its creates an impression of the EB team that is unfair and something that we cannot respond to or rectify. Eventually we get a reputation that is undeserved and we have to close up shop because of the poison being spewed on our forums.

If you do neither of the above then I suggest that you leave, because all you are doing with your above statement is spreading poison against EB, something that I would consider to be trolling.

I hope you understand my position.

Foot

yes I understand where you're trying to get at, and I am really not trying to put an end to the EB team, trust me, I love the game as much as anyone else. I think we all can agree that everyone on this forum has no sinister intents to end EB, that is just ridiculous. But to point out that I am the main perpetrator who would posion the EB team is also wrong and complete nonsense. I think we all misunderstood each other here. but sometimes this forum can be a little too harsh to posters and what they say. Like when somebody said they would like to have "the sound of Romans marching in EBII" which is more like a coment then criticism, someone instantly started cursing him out with the F word. that to me sounds a bit extreme.


anyway I have said all that I want to say in this thread so I am done with it. if I offended the EB team, or any other Orgers than you have my apologies.(especially the EB team, if they were offended), but if I didn't offend you then you don't have my apologies. and since I have said all that I want to say I am not going to post in this thread anymore, unless someone seriously starts to flame me. I am also not leaving the forum/Org.

[blitzkrieg80]

i think you confuse Foot and others' politeness for backing down in a contest of alpha spam. There is no winner in a contest of alpha spam.

but if I didn't offend you then you don't have my apologies.

what is this suppose to mean? (rhetorical - don't answer!)

[Aemilius Paulus]

watch out about the constructive criticism thing, it is not very welcome by this forum or the EB team. that's why so many people get flamed for it.

Constructive criticism is when you offer a problem and a possible solution. A possible realistic solution. Just criticism is when you complain without offering any solutions or knowing that there is no solution. Not to be confused with reporting a bug. There is a fine line between the two types of criticism. Sometimes people will misunderstand you and sometimes they may even flame you. Not the EB team necessarily, but simply other .Org members. I would avoid criticism altogether, since this is a mod after all. It is free and if you don't like it, just don't play it - bug reporting is fine, but otherwise there is no point to criticism. What people sot often do not understand is that there are priorities, hardcode limitations, impracticalities, and limits to how much work can be done on a single faction (i.e. Romani - everyone wants everything for their good ol' Romans).

Anyway, I thought this thread was going to be locked right in the beginning, but it is even more likely right now. I simply cannot see how this thread can remain open. We are all walking on a tightrope when we post in this thread. Perhaps it would be best if this got locked before it gets hotter.

[bovi]

Anyway, I thought this thread was going to be locked right in the beginning, but it is even more likely right now. I simply cannot see how this thread can remain open. We are all walking on a tightrope when we post in this thread. Perhaps it would be best if this got locked before it gets hotter.

I moved the stuff, now that thread can continue.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

This poll has been created to find out just where user opinion lies on the subject of the policing and enforcement of rules in "The Guild" Forums. It is intended to give the moderators a better idea of how their current system is working and what changes (if any) users would like to see.

The choices (since I timed out before the poll could be inserted) are:

1) This place is "family friendly?" #@&@% that! The intertubes are for adults and you guys need to stop being Nazis. We don't need babysitters!

2) You guys could lighten up a bit. Parents are responsible for their own children's 'safety' online. A little swearing and good-old trolling never hurt anyone

3) I think you guys are doing great. This place is fine just the way it is. ( I actually have no opinion because I am afraid of retaliation. I welcome our Overlords)

4) Ummm, the fact that words like "hell" and "damn" are even thought by people, let alone typed for all to see is a horrible testament to the decline of our society. Please save us from ourselves, random internet strangers!

5) You are too permissive, let the purge begin! There is too much free speech already. Start censoring posts and assigning Guild 'minders' to 'gently' re-educate dissidents. The natives are restless and it is your God-given right to violently and overwhelmingly suppress all opposition to control your monster.

[Mediolanicus]

Are you angry because of the reaction to your joke in that locked thread?
You shouldn't, 'twas a good one and the 20000th guy who askes the same question that in the FAQ deserves such an answer.

But new members might not get it and might feel intimidated by it, hence the reaction.


I think the froum ruler and enforcement are good, EB mods allow much, but not too much.

This is not really the place to post this, anyway, since the EB forum doesn't have its own rules and the EB mods can't do much to change them either...


Edit: although I do agree on the fact the
"4) Ummm, the fact that words like "hell" and "damn" are even thought by people, let alone typed for all to see is a horrible testament to the decline of our society. Please save us from ourselves, random internet strangers!"

But again, that has nothing to do with EB or even the EB mods.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I choose, option 1

No, the locked thread had nothing to do with it. It's a culmination of other little grievances I have with our overlords. And this is the perfect place because I only come to the EB part of the forums, so I'm only interested in what EB fans have to say.

[Hax]

Okay, I want to say this again:

The Guild are not EB's forums.

They are seperate.

They are not one.

EB's forums are one part of the .org "The Guild".


There is life outside of the EB forums.

For any comments regarding the .org's policy on moderating, I suggest you go here. Don't worry, they don't bite!

[A Very Super Market]

3. Definitely 3.


O__O

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The EB team has no say in how the .Org is moderated, our moderators here enforce the policy as is.

If you have problem with that policy the correct place to go is the Watchtower