Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
Ah, but this is where it gets slippery. You mentioned logic, but logic is based on the assumption that the measurable is repeatable, and that 1 + 1 will always = 2. This is actually a pretty big assumption, and it's what all modern science is based on.

1,000 years ago the existence of God would have been considered even more obvious. "Man is the measure of all things".

Ultimately the stance of the religious fundamentalist is as logical as your own, it simply has a different start point. You assume that your careful measurement of the natural world is accurate, they assume their holy text is accurate. You demand that the Holy text eqate to the natural world, or be proved false, and they demand that your conclusions from measurement equate with their holy text, or be proved false.

They have the advantage because they can refute any measurement you produce by declaring that it has been altered by God.
If there ever comes a time when 1+1 does not equal 2, then the fundamental nature of the universe will have changed. There is no evidence this has ever happened or ever will, and even if it did, that means nothing.

All my arguments pertain to THIS universe as it always has been and always will be. You HAVE TO THROW OUT any argument which pertains to a different universe, because it's irrelevant to this one.

Focus on this universe, because that's the only place our arguments matter. What you are saying in effect is that I could be wrong, but the nature of reality would have to change.

That's the same as saying you cannot refute my arguments, and that they are correct.