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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Nothing exists. Everything is just fluctuations in a vacuum.
    Even a vaccuum has physical properties which affect both space and time. And if matter is a fluctuation of a vaccuum, then the vaccuum contains something, even in the abstract, which makes it no longer a vaccuum. And if there are fluctuations in spacetime, then there must first be the concept of existence.

    Otherwise you couldn't be sitting here talking about it. Or standing, or whatever. The fact that I can discern the difference between sitting and standing is yet one of the infinite examples of there being reality around me.

    Only by blinding yourself to reality can one say that it does not exist, and then one is stating that they do not exist, which is the same as saying "this statement is false". There's an inherent flaw in your reasoning, which negates the validity of your assertions.

    One cannot say that they do not exist, unless they exist.
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    cognito ego sum was an attempt to get over the problem of subjective knowledge, since then no philosopher has suceeded in extending that statement in any way, neither further than ego or sum.
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    It's a fact that if we don't exist, we aren't having this discussion either, so why are we wasting our time talking about it?

    On the other hand, if we do exist, then I am correct. In either case, in 100% of the possible outcomes, it makes ZERO sense to argue with anyone that we do not exist.

    Case closed.
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    Default Re: Arguments for and against Creationism in American schools

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    Even a vaccuum has physical properties which affect both space and time. And if matter is a fluctuation of a vaccuum, then the vaccuum contains something, even in the abstract, which makes it no longer a vaccuum. And if there are fluctuations in spacetime, then there must first be the concept of existence.

    Otherwise you couldn't be sitting here talking about it. Or standing, or whatever. The fact that I can discern the difference between sitting and standing is yet one of the infinite examples of there being reality around me.

    Only by blinding yourself to reality can one say that it does not exist, and then one is stating that they do not exist, which is the same as saying "this statement is false". There's an inherent flaw in your reasoning, which negates the validity of your assertions.

    One cannot say that they do not exist, unless they exist.
    All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves.

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    All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves.

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    Okay, if that's the case, I dare you to shoot yourself. After all, what could possibly be the harm in it?

    And WHY are we persecuting people for being mass murderers? There's no such thing as consequences if we aren't real. And for that matter, why bother breathing, or arguing with me about existence?

    Because it's fun? No, it's nonexistent, remember, so there's no such thing as fun. There's no such thing as anything. Which is odd, because you people keep insisting on debating this point. Why are you engaging in the effort to accomplish anything, when nothing exists?

    The point is, I can prove that you don't believe a word you just said, or else you wouldn't bother getting up in the morning and eating food. Just stay asleep, you're dreaming anyway.

    I wouldn't mind entertaining the amusing notion that we aren't here, but those who claim to be a proponent of such theories are hypocritical when they bother talking.
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    You just like the attention, don't you?


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    You just like the attention, don't you?
    I do like the attention, but that's not pertinent to the validity of what I am saying.

    I'm not a talkative person in real life, so this is my outlet for expressing myself.
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    All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves.

    Here's Tom with the weather.

    The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." ...It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.


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