M2TW recommendation

**caravel** · 01-20-2009, 12:41

I'm afraid I can can only agree with the above. I kept going back to RTW and giving it another chance. I've now pretty much given up on it. M2TW I just cannot bring myself to play. I gave it all of about half a day before giving up. In short it's horrible.

I really think you should go to the M2TW forum for some more unbiased opinions.

If you want to do so, don't make a new thread as I can move this one over there.

**Peasant Phill** · 01-20-2009, 13:53

I think I'll hold out for some more comments.

Besides I'm far more interested in the opinions of people with a MTW background then someone who started with Rome or M2TW and just visited MTW.

**seireikhaan** · 01-20-2009, 20:33

I tried to play it for a month or so, with SS 4.1 mod and Broken Crescent. There's a couple basic problems. First is that, far more so than MTW, M2TW will just throw factions at you with absolutely no sensibility to it. Whether its a random, one boat fleet blockading a random port just because it can, or a half stack of militias rushing to a province regardless of who owns it, the campaign AI is totally nonsensical. Another issue is that the AI basically is completely incapable of winning siege attacks; it will abandon a battering ram once the first gate is down, regardless of whether there is another gate to get through.

**HopAlongBunny** · 01-21-2009, 00:05

The tactical AI has declined with each new issue: MTW=>RTW=>M2TW

Battles are what hooked me on TW; now I don't waste my time with them.

There is more to do at the strategic level. Hunting bandits, pirates, heretics, assassins, spies, inquisitors, ...etc. The AI at this level is no stronger...it just has more time and inclination to deal with all this crap :p

If you thought the Papacy was annoying in MTW, you ain't seen nothing yet!

**gollum** · 01-21-2009, 00:24

M2 is terrible in the battlefield especially if you view it from a MTW perspective. The vanilla campaign plays best as a sandbox - set your own goals and pursue them - yet even so it gets very predictable and immensely boring once you are secured - that is after 100 turns at most no matter how slow you take it.

In order to deal with this you get to go to exotic *new worlds* and you are visited by cannon elephant and rocket launching eastern overpowered horrors - the Mongols and Timurids. The challenge does not come *heaven forbids* by the aptitude of these opponents but by the sheer power of them in terms of numbers, stats and command stars.

There are plenty of mods; Stainless Steel and Broken Crescent being amongst the most popular.

I of the storm says the whole story in terms of atmosphere and feel - the game feels indeed like a disney movie and throws all pretense that CA kept in the past to preserve the slightest element of historical plausibility. M2 is a mish-mash of eras, units, names and events held together in the most loose manner possible.

To get the idea how much CA is selling out the TW concept - take a look at the cover; you ll see King Richard having over his shoulders Western Europe as far east as Italy and Germany and the indispensible for the Medieval era... American Continent.

M2TW is simply, in my opinion, not worth the CD its played on. RTW at least had a decent atmosphere and preserved historical plausibility.

!it burnsus!