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Come on be fair Seamus , sometimes killing the unbelievers just ain't enough . For example even after Josiah had done the big slaughter and then burnt the unbelievers bones on the altars god still wasn't happy because the unbelievers had really made god very very angry .
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Evil_Maniac From Mars probably should have specified New Testament. Of the big 3, only Jews and Muslims should be killing people for religious purposes.
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Ya.Originally Posted by Lemur
I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand how he's doing this. He is criticizing Islam, yes, and he's being unfair and kind of dickish about it, but how is that discrimination? How is that infringing on anyone's right to religion?
Are you allowed to say that the Catholic Church went out of its way to protect pedophile priests? Or is that pushing Catholics into a corner? Are you allowed to say that Scientology is frickin' insane? Are you allowed to say that Jewish girls are super-freaks in bed?
Where do you draw the line? As far as I can read, this guy wasn't saying, "Please kill a muslim!" which would be incitement to violence. He's just criticizing the religion itself. Where are you gonna go if you ban that? What kind of discourse can you have if you criminalize criticism?
Remember, the law is a blunt instrument, and while this guy may be an unsympathetic character, who else will such a law be used on? How about the weed-smoking dude who teaches comparative religion 101? If he says something critical about Islam, should he be imprisoned?
This mia muca's is what we call political prosecution, and this mia muca's will earn him at least 5 more seats in the parlement. I don't agree with Wilders he is blaming the wrong people, but he got me vote, because things like this. The lefties are doing exactly what I want them to do, abusing the system. It has been noted. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_pe....cgi?wilders&1
Oh, and actually calling for violence, here is PM Harry van Bommel, naturally a member of the socialist party, actually calling for violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bM...eature=related
Of course not prosecuted.
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Try Samuel: Saul gets into trouble with God for not killing everyone.
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What about the New Testament, as mentioned above? If anyone knows, it will be you.
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Oh, and actually calling for violence, here is PM Harry van Bommel, naturally a member of the socialist party, actually calling for violence.
Come of Frag last time you said he was calling for gassing the jews .
at least this time you actually got him saying something instead of a couple of other muppets shouting at the back of a crowd .
So tell me oh wise one what does intifada mean ?
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It really doesn't matter. Why?
Because the sane christians focus on "the good parts", ie. the parts that tell you to be nice, and not kill others. Just like the sane muslims focus on the parts that tell them to be kind, and ignore the violent stuff.
The nutters do the opposite though, in both religions.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Well, if you have faith, then it should matter, you have to follow scripture you see and so it must be interpreted to the best of one's ability.
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Yes, but as I said, you pick and choose. The sane focus on "the good parts", and explain away the brutal stuff. The insane focus on the brutal stuff, and explain away the good parts.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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No I didn't that are the people on the background cheering, he said he didn't hear it. Which is of course a lie it can easily be heard. Do bear in mind that Janmaat was succesfully prosecuted for exactly the same thing, people on the background. Why isn't van Bommel prosecuted for calling for violence? Some imam's call for violence. Aren't prosecuted. Wilders never called for violence. Yet Wilders is prosecuted. Double standard, activist judges screw the law we crave. It's fine really, Wilders absolutely annihilates lefties when they actually have to debate each and every time. People see that. Lefties may have the media and the law but Wilders got the point and this will gain him a lot of additional votes, nobody likes bullies. Goodbye Lenin.
Come of Frag last time you said he was calling for gassing the jews .
at least this time you actually got him saying something instead of a couple of other muppets shouting at the back of a crowd .
So tell me oh wise one what does intifada mean ?
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So are you advocating banning the Quran then?
No, nor the bible either... though you raise a good point dave should we allow these religious books filled with hate and violence, i think yes but obviously some people think differently...
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I meant the "being allowed to say what you want" thingie.
Wilders should be allowed to say that Islam is a totalitarian religion that should be banned. He should be allowed to say whatever he wants.
Simplified example:
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Some people in The Hague are going to have to come to grips with this freedom of opinion thingy and pass a better law, regardless of their view of mr Wilders.
The Amsterdam court ruling is ridiculous. It is not the court's duty to defend any particular political view on integration. Most ridiculous of all is the passage in the ruling where it says that 'parts of the Muslim creed are at odds with Dutch and European values'. Who the hell are these judges to pass a verdict on an entire religion?
Our blasphemy law (privileged protection from criticism for all religions) should be scrapped, our laws against incitement should be rewritten to focus on incitement to violence and scrap any allusion to incitement in the wider sense.
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So long as the “lefty judges” (your term not mine) don’t ignore his words and lock him up, a good long time.
It is hard to say you are the rhetorical winner when you loose your liberty.
I do not see either side as being RIGHT.
They both are trying to limit the freedom and liberties of the other to one extent or the other.
Two wrongs still don’t make a right!
But I suppose you will get stupid solutions for stupid problems…
Appeasement will not stop militantisam and stifling free speech will not assure liberty or justice.
Glad I’m not Dutch!
Good luck Fragony…
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The feeling is mutual, probably. We don' t usually lock up people for their views or hair-do's and I like to think that we want to keep it that way.
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and some how I do????
It is just a tough situation that I am glad we don’t yet face in the country I am in…
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Now that is a law I could support!
5 years in the slammer for hair like this seems more than appropriate to me.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Good grief! That looks more like ten years of hard labour to me..
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Keep in mind that the court only ruled that Wilders ought to be prosecuted. Public prosecution refused to waste time on this, so a couple of people who didn't like Wilders decided to go court to force it. The judges probably figured that since it's not an actual conviction, caving in to sentiments from a rather vocal minority couldn't possibly hurt.
Our legislation seriously needs to be rewritten to rule out such idiotic prosecutions in the future.
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I thought you wanted Wilders locked away for a 'good long time'. If I misunderstood you, I apologise.and some how I do????
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Errrrrrr.....Because he didn't .Why isn't van Bommel prosecuted for calling for violence?
Errrrrr....was Wilders prosecuted for calling for violence ?Wilders never called for violence. Yet Wilders is prosecuted.
Wilders absolutely annihilates lefties when they actually have to debate each and every time.
What you mean is people like you who describe themselves as far right nationalists see that because his silly views mesh with theirs so they think he is right with his arguements , even though anyone else who doesn't have your muslims muslims muslims fixation who is actually looking at his debates sees a silly idiot on a rant .People see that.
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Sorry if how I expressed my feelings was confusing to some…or all.
What I meant was:
No one should be locked up just for holding a particular view.
Activist Judges pushing a particular political agenda are a danger to all, no matter what their views.
Just because you happen to support the same thing today is no guarantee that it will be so tomorrow.
Taking a short sighted view for political expediency bodes ill for your future.
Stifling decent is not exactly a hallmark of liberty and freedom.
It is not something that can waite to be corrected. If not done at once the dammage may be irreparable.
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Wilders is no extremist not his fault that the press only wants to talk about the islam. And yes he absolutely annihilates his opponents in debate, Wilders doesn't play within the framework makes their brain malfunction. So all they can do is demonising him and hoping that another carrotmuncher will snap.
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Thats funny , I just watched one of his exchanges and he was easily ripped apart on just about everything he said during the 20 minute discussion .And yes he absolutely annihilates his opponents in debate,
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yep, uh-huh. islamphobe islamphobe islamphobe
How come you speak dutch by the way?
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Intriguing question.
By the way, for all the criticism of Wilders' film, the anti-Wilders-films are just as foolish. It seems as if everything he gets into contact with turns into excrement, even his critics.
Don't say you haven't been warned, guys..
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Is there a law against it ?How come you speak dutch by the way?
Perhaps a genius like Wilders can invent one .
Then again according to him for every new law made two laws must be abolished right because the Netherlands has too many laws
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Is there a law against it ?
Perhaps a genius like Wilders can invent one .
Then again according to him for every new law made two laws must be abolished right because the Netherlands has too many laws
The concept of eliminating two ill-considered laws for each new one is not bad!
The trouble comes when politicians decide which two to abolish!!!
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Oh common gimme, it's so unusual.
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Van Bommel did call for an intifada. His declaration afterwards that he took intifada to mean "civil disobedience" wasn't taken seriously by anyone.
I think Fragony already mentioned Janmaat. About 10 years ago he was convicted because other people yelled xenophobic stuff in a march. The reasoning was that since he didn't distance himself from it, he could be held responsible for it as if he had said it himself.
While Van Bommel was shouting "intifada" in that march, there were people behind him yelling that jews ought to be gassed. He claimed he didn't hear it, wich I find hard to believe because the camera in front of him recorded the chanting behind him perfectly fine.
It's less certain wether Janmaat would have been convicted for the same thing today, and I certainly don't think Van Bommel will be.
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