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    So, despite assurances of 'representing all of America', the nation's first black Attorney General decided to go a different route than his boss... forgoing unity and reconciliation for some good old smackdown talk at whitey.
    Quote Originally Posted by Attorney General Holder
    "Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.
    So, even if you agree with the man's sentiments, do you think such statements are productive? Do they advance the national discussion on race and the movement of our society to a post-racial future? Or does it sound like AG Holder spends more time listening to Minister Jeremiah Wright than President Obama?

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    I thought we got rid of busing for a reason...
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    He doesn't say whitey.

    As for self segregating my family never did that and we're just a bunch of racist cowboys. I know that if my street filled with Mexicans, Indians, Blacks and Canadians can survive in Texas then there must be hope for the rest of the country.

    I'm going to be roomates with a Mexican next year. Am I the epitome of race relations?

    I'm going to see Wolverine with a black guy. They should give me a medal.

    The guy is talking out of his ass.

    He's wrong. My brother has a Mexican girlfriend.

    We had a muslim over for BBQ one day!

    I'm best friends with an 11 year old jap. He gives me gum.

    I could go on/
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    same here.
    one of my best friends is black (among my many black friends) i have numerous muslim friends (one of which is on the .org- Ibrahim).
    that guy knows nothing of america and im sad that he is attourney general.
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    I've only ever been friends with white guys so I suppose I'm racist.
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    I don't get it.

    Where does he say America is racist? Or that whitey is to blame?

    He is just saying America gets uncomfortable when the issue comes up and prefers to segregate voluntarily. Isn't that true if you look at statistics about school, residential and recreational segregation? Some of you may think of themselves as color blind, but what does that tell us about the other 99,999999% of Americans?

    Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

    "Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.
    Go ahead and prove him wrong. I'm interested.
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    Obama should really watch whom he gets on his team, otherwise instead of being the first black president he risks becoming the only black president. As for Holder, he should {be quiet}.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where does he say America is racist? Or that whitey is to blame?

    He is just saying America gets uncomfortable when the issue comes up and prefers to segregate voluntarily. Isn't that true if you look at statistics about school, residential and recreational segregation? Some of you may think of themselves as color blind, but what does that tell us about the other 99,999999% of Americans?
    Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

    "Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.
    Go ahead and prove him wrong. I'm interested.
    Its a typical old man trying to put 1960 in a 2009 frame. That was 49 years ago, things change.

    My high school had a large number of white,black and mexican students and my whole time on campus not one racially motivated incident took place. I have seen black cowboys and ghetto white boys fit in just fine with there racially "right" brothers.

    I've seen blonde women with the last name Lopez and Mexican women with the last name Jones. No one does a double take or any of that. This is of course in Texas one of the poster boys for race relations.

    Some people want to see there battles last with them. Wether it be a racist or an activist these old men want to know that the battles they fought matter and that people are still taking sides and fighting the good fight. Statements like Holders are irrelevant because that is not how things work anymore.

    Maybe his weekends are like that but not mine.

    I am not saying we are perfect but people like Holder also believe in the "Latinization" of America.


    I pointed out in my first post that he never blamed whitey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where does he say America is racist? Or that whitey is to blame?

    He is just saying America gets uncomfortable when the issue comes up and prefers to segregate voluntarily. Isn't that true if you look at statistics about school, residential and recreational segregation? Some of you may think of themselves as color blind, but what does that tell us about the other 99,999999% of Americans?

    Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

    "Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.
    Go ahead and prove him wrong. I'm interested.
    Of course race is still an uncomfortable issue - whenever a person of one ethnic group says something about other ethnic groups, someone somewhere misconstrues it as being a racial/racist thing!

    Case in point - In certain ethnic circles, there are "disproportionately" high levels of crime. You can argue until you're blue in the face as to the reasons behind this; you can check to stats; there's nothing "racist" about this statement, it's based on fact. But if someone makes this statement, especially if they don't choose their words carefully, they will be branded as a racist by someone or some group.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    He doesn't say whitey.

    As for self segregating my family never did that and we're just a bunch of racist cowboys. I know that if my street filled with Mexicans, Indians, Blacks and Canadians can survive in Texas then there must be hope for the rest of the country.

    I'm going to be roomates with a Mexican next year. Am I the epitome of race relations?

    I'm going to see Wolverine with a black guy. They should give me a medal.

    The guy is talking out of his ass.

    He's wrong. My brother has a Mexican girlfriend.

    We had a muslim over for BBQ one day!

    I'm best friends with an 11 year old jap. He gives me gum.

    I could go on/
    Obviously, he is right, you are a coward, if you were a man you would stand up against those intruders and uhm, oh wait....


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikeForTheSouth
    Its a typical old man trying to put 1960 in a 2009 frame. That was 49 years ago, things change.
    Holder wiki Bio He's 21 days younger than I am. Or maybe I'm not typical.
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    This should hardly come as a surprise if you watched or heard the inauguration. One of the several, horrible poems was straight out of the '60s and is clearly meant to foment racial dissatisfaction.


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    Anecdotal evidence and all that, but my experience in college resembled what I think he was trying to express, possible in the reverse manner though. Everybody got along, but the African-American students (a small % of the students) all hung out together, and there was a feeling that those who hung out with us crackers were selling out or something. The one black guy in our drinking group was actually from Africa, maybe they just couldn't relate to him or vice versa. This was 20 years ago though, so who knows what it's like now.

    Why the AG is expounding on race relations in this country is a mystery though. Shouldn't he be rounding up fraudsters and Bush administration lawyers?
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    He's too busy enforcing Hope and Change (TM).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    This should hardly come as a surprise if you watched or heard the inauguration. One of the several, horrible poems was straight out of the '60s and is clearly meant to foment racial dissatisfaction.
    Sure, Vladimir. It's all part of Obama's evil Masterplan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    Sure, Vladimir. It's all part of Obama's evil Masterplan.
    If you say so . I was refering to the "...white will do what's right.." part but if you know more, please go on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    If you say so . I was refering to the "...white will do what's right.." part but if you know more, please go on.
    Well, it's obvious that Obama wants to split the nation along racial lines, foment civil war, nationalise industry, introduce islam as a state religion and force school kids to eat fried chicken and study Joe Stalin's collected works. That's what I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II View Post
    Well, it's obvious that Obama wants to split the nation along racial lines, foment civil war, nationalise industry, introduce islam as a state religion and force school kids to eat fried chicken and study Joe Stalin's collected works. That's what I think.
    What I'm most concerned by is that you appear to be fine with the horrible poetry at the inauguration.

    Anyway, you're making a lot of racist statements. First that Mr Hopeychangey thing, now this. What it tells me is that you people (60's style flower children, not the Dutch) are still living in the past. In the absence of racial tensions you, like the Attorney General and Al Sharpton, have to create them or peal back the scab, as it were, to confirm your world view is still valid. Instead of letting the wound heal, you draw attention to it and allow the festering to continue. You're letting your biases color the perception of my statements. That's what I get from your wild statements.


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