Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

[rory_20_uk]

But it's always easier to pass a meaningless law than actually do something about the problem.

We're in recession - this will save money!

[Sheogorath]

Do have any evidence of large scale arms dealing by US companies or are you simply making stuff up?

Even if there were, this bill would do nothing - not a single thing - to hamper or stop the scenario you described.

CR

Exactly my point.

I was being hypothetical in this case, since this bill would only directly affect those manufacturing arms and/or selling arms in the US. Thus it would make little sense to include foreign manufacturers and dealers.

As to US companies dealing in Mexico, it's a safe bet at least a few are. It's a nice, big, market right next door. Very difficult to ignore.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, so here goes again.

Grenades and automatic weapons are ALREADY illegal for the most part. This reinstatement will not stop these weapons from reaching Mexican drug-runners. Proper enforcement of existing laws will. But it's always easier to pass a meaningless law than actually do something about the problem.

I was, indeed, being sarcastic.

[Marshal Murat]

So Obama wants to prevent Mexicans from buying weapons that are already illegal? Have a good time trying to enforce that when we can't even close our own borders. If Americans want to sell Mexicans guns, we'll find a way.

[Lemur]

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

[Major Robert Dump]

Hey maybe all those SKSs I bought for $100 a piece right after the ban expired in 2004 will be worth something now. They sat in a trailer for years, never fired, still covered in petroleum jelly. I've used one and modified it to hold a 30 round magazine,the others are still boxed. I'm gonna be a criminal!!! Maybe I'll sell to the cartel

[Devastatin Dave]

My AK and AR have alrady been "misplaced". Oh well...

I guess Obama is just doing what comes natural to him...

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State. – Heinrich Himmler

Only an armed society can be the real bulwark of popular liberty. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Every good Communist should know that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. The Communist party must control the guns. – Mao Tse-Tung

On the morrow of each conflict, I gave the … order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results. – Benito Mussolini

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? – Joseph Stalin

If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves. – Joseph Stalin

[Hooahguy]

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

if they enact that, im moving to china.
not really though....

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

[Hooahguy]

husar, i will quote my earlier post....

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

[Husar]

husar, i will quote my earlier post....

So where do criminals get their guns from?
Once again, if we had a world government, then gun control would actually work because you couldn't smuggle in guns from other countries.
It's the same with so many ideas, they only really work when everybody in the world shares them in which case you would probably not need many of them anymore.

But even then, in most countries with gun control there are less dead people due to gun violence than in the US every year, either way you want to argue, you guys are doing something wrong, whether it's a lack of gun control or just being a culture of violence™.
So if the gun ban is not a solution then what is the soluution? be a bit creative now, you can't say this won't work, we just like dieing in droves and then lean back, gimme an alternative.

Like, for example, banning games and movies with violent content.

[Meneldil]

But even then, in most countries with gun control there are less dead people due to gun violence than in the US every year, either way you want to argue, you guys are doing something wrong, whether it's a lack of gun control or just being a culture of violence™.

Wait, wait, are you trying to be rational here? Because we all know the US are the awesome sauce, and that the lack of gun-control is the very epitome of liberty.

Now, I actually don't care about gun-control in the US. For some reason, it seems to be a big deal, unlike the patriot act or other similar things. I just think that if people feel the need to own guns to be safe, then they live in a failed state.

[Hooahguy]

So where do criminals get their guns from?
Once again, if we had a world government, then gun control would actually work because you couldn't smuggle in guns from other countries.
It's the same with so many ideas, they only really work when everybody in the world shares them in which case you would probably not need many of them anymore.

But even then, in most countries with gun control there are less dead people due to gun violence than in the US every year, either way you want to argue, you guys are doing something wrong, whether it's a lack of gun control or just being a culture of violence™.
So if the gun ban is not a solution then what is the soluution? be a bit creative now, you can't say this won't work, we just like dieing in droves and then lean back, gimme an alternative.

Like, for example, banning games and movies with violent content.

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6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.

False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.

The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by history and by reason. Let's hope more people are catching on.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

But even then, in most countries with gun control there are less dead people due to gun violence than in the US every year, either way you want to argue, you guys are doing something wrong, whether it's a lack of gun control or just being a culture of violence™.

A ban on firearms and their confiscation would reduce the number of deaths from firearms accidents. I suspect that the murder rate would go down as well -- but that the number of attempted murders and aggravated assaults would increase.

A huge chunk of the violence is actually a byproduct of the insane profits available from the sale of illegal drugs. Attacking that problem would, I suspect, have a far more direct impact on the reduction in gun deaths.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So where do criminals get their guns from?
Once again, if we had a world government, then gun control would actually work because you couldn't smuggle in guns from other countries.
It's the same with so many ideas, they only really work when everybody in the world shares them in which case you would probably not need many of them anymore.

Still wouldn't work - simple guns are not too hard to make at home, plus there would be corrupt police and army personnel selling arms.

But even then, in most countries with gun control there are less dead people due to gun violence than in the US every year, either way you want to argue, you guys are doing something wrong, whether it's a lack of gun control or just being a culture of violence™.
So if the gun ban is not a solution then what is the soluution? be a bit creative now, you can't say this won't work, we just like dieing in droves and then lean back, gimme an alternative.

Like, for example, banning games and movies with violent content.

Most of the violence in the US is due to gangs (says the FBI) and banning guns won't change that. Legalizing drugs likely would.

CR

[Mooks]

if they enact that, im moving to china.
not really though....

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

The same thing that runs through the head of the people that support keeping marijuana illegal; sheer emotion. No rationalisation or debate,just pure emotion.

[Hooahguy]

The same thing that runs through the head of the people that support keeping marijuana illegal; sheer emotion. No rationalisation or debate,just pure emotion.

i am rationalizing the situation.
heres the situation:
obama bans guns. lawful people turn thier guns in. crminals dont.
crime shoots way up.
if im not mistaken, after DC banned guns the crime rate shot way up?

[Xiahou]

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

How soon can we expect that do you think?

So are we going to see formal reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine, or passage of the Screw Rush Limbaugh Act of 2009? Almost certainly not. Is there a measure of none-too-subtle enthusiasm among those with the power to grant or revoke licenses for pressuring broadcasters to introduce more "democratic dialogue" and greater "diversity" of programming? Manifestly. But don't worry, they're not going to call it a Fairness Doctrine.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

Obama's administration supports this, unlike the fairness doctrine.

This is a non issue for me. I doubt I'll ever feel the need to own one of these weapons.

Our defense of liberty in our country should not be limited to our personal interests. We should try to defend liberty everywhere, and band together to prevent government intrusion on any of our rights.

For example, I rail on against the weakening of the fourth amendment, excessive police force, and the drug war, though I've never smoked pot and never plan too.

Finally - do you ever plan to own a pistol? The 1994 bill banned magazines over 10 rounds for any gun. I've got a compact pistol with a 14 round magazine.

CR

[CountArach]

Sounds good to me.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sounds good to me.

Only because you would like us all to be peasants under an omniscient government! You would trade the exciting life of liberty for the promise of government security!

husar, i will quote my earlier post....

It's not about crime. It's about control; liberty offends them.

CR

[Hooahguy]

personally i cant wait until im 21. i plan on getting a concealed firearms license.
i go to the shooting range at least once a month....

[CountArach]

Only because you would like us all to be peasants under an omniscient government! You would trade the exciting life of liberty for the promise of government security!

Glad you put that smilie there

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.

The idea being that guns don't kill people - but they make it a hell of a lot easier to. That's the simplest way to explain our thought process. They don't just deny them to law-abiding citizens, they deny them to small-time criminals who may not have normally wanted to get serious enough to look for illegal weapons traders.

[Strike For The South]

Finally - do you ever plan to own a pistol? The 1994 bill banned magazines over 10 rounds for any gun. I've got a compact pistol with a 14 round magazine.

CR

You Americans are so dumb. Just take 4 rounds out!

Sounds good to me

You Would

[Husar]

Finally, he should ban bear arms completely if you ask me. Noone needs them and they're dangerous, like knives.