Police abuses

[Vladimir]

A man calls 911 to ask for medical help for his 86 year old, bedridden mother.

Naturally, a bunch of police barge through the door. The woman, a grandmother, tells them to leave her house.

Naturally, the police taze her;



At least the sadists of America have a steady job supply and legal authority to torture people.

It seems some cops view the taser as a tool that lets them have almost as much fun as shooting people without all the bothersome paperwork and inquiries involving murdered people.

CR

I killed four Japs in World War II,

Don't trust the rabbit. There's always more to the story.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I killed four Japs in World War II,

Don't trust the rabbit. There's always more to the story.

An officer used the Taser when she pulled a kitchen knife out from under her pillow and threatened cops with it, police said.

Well golly gee, if the police said it then it must be true. It's not like they've ever systematically lied to cover up crimes up to and including murder whenever they have to.

I'm just glad we can put this story to rest, and not worry about niggling little holes like why even a knife wielding granny who couldn't get out of bed had to be tasered even assuming the police aren't lying, just because the police said their violent acts were justified.

After all, if we don't blindly trust violent men when they say they had to be violent, we might have to face uncomfortable facts.

CR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The ultimate "point" of this thread still escapes me.

Are there police abuses? Yes. Are efforts to curb such abuses less effective than we would like? Yes. Taking these as givens, what should be done about it?

Do we abolish police in favor of personal self-defense only?

Do we retire police after just a few years service to prevent them from acquiring too much power/too much interest in securing themselves?

Do we pick people who don't want to be police and force them to serve as police?


Consider the following...

No matter how thoroughly we screen for things at the outset, some people will discover while doing police work that they LIKE using the baton and cracking a few heads to achieve their objective. Moreover, it is hardly surprising that people who do like that approach to problem-solving self-select into a career path that allows for (encourages?) it. This is human nature. A goodly percentage of us, given power by situation or by assignment, ENJOY exercising that power.

So what is to be done?

[Beskar]

Police here are like angels of Justice, mostly.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A schoolteacher calls cops to her house because of a prowler.

Naturally it all ends in the cops repeatedly tasering her as she is curled on the ground in pain, because she had the gall to not be completely submissive in response to his questions.

Story and video here. Video at CNN here.

One of the cops has been given a paid vacation until it blows over, while the other quit before an investigation and has already been hired by a different police force.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The ultimate "point" of this thread still escapes me.

Are there police abuses? Yes. Are efforts to curb such abuses less effective than we would like? Yes. Taking these as givens, what should be done about it?

Do we abolish police in favor of personal self-defense only?

Do we retire police after just a few years service to prevent them from acquiring too much power/too much interest in securing themselves?

Do we pick people who don't want to be police and force them to serve as police?

I guess we work out the law regarding recording police officers better, and such things.


I have seen plenty of fake scandals caused by people who are anti-police though. Definitely a two sided problem. I think it was CR who posted one of those in the BR video thread.

[Beskar]

I have seen plenty of fake scandals caused by people who are anti-police though. Definitely a two sided problem. I think it was CR who posted one of those in the BR video thread.

Yeah, there are plently of fakes.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I don't think there's two sides to the recording police issue at all. So far, videos of the police have revealed brutality and protected the innocent victims of police. I've heard of no video that was doctored and ended up doing harm to police.

And even if such people might think of doing that; that's why we have trials, so the people can determine if something is real or fake.

In news from Indianapolis, David Bisard gets away with murder after killing a stopped motorcyclist at an intersection with a BAC of .19 (tested two hours after the crash), ie at least ten drinks. But since the wrong hospital employee drew his blood, that evidence is inadmissible.

And the murderer supporters, ie fellow cops at the scene, didn't notice that he was drunk at all at the crash scene. So he faces charges that are much lower than if there was some admissible evidence he was really drunk.

In North Carolina, police arrest a woman for resisting arrest because she watched, and recorded, a traffic stop from her front porch.

CR

[InsaneApache]

A 57 year old woman has a row with her boyfriend and walks out in a huff. She decides against driving to her daughters in London, instead sleeping overnight in her car. In the morning two plastic pigs investigate the car and call for (the real) police to attend.

She's arrested for apparently refusing a breath test. Now in the UK the police need a reason to breathalyse you. They can't just decide to.

Understandably she's upset and wants to know why they arrested her.

What happened next?



At least the sergeant was prosecuted, unlike those numpties who chased a disabled man and smashed his windscreen in for taking them on a 30 MPH chase.

I was stopped by plod t'other week. My those young whippersnappers are aggressive.